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This is a new line of machines, not an outdated design. It was on sale at $350, but SCG has dropped it to $320. Compared to the smaller Saeco Vapore or Gaggia Brera this is a much more substantial machine feature-wise. For a base model it's specs are really good (10 oz bean hopper and 1.8L water tank size, pre-ground bypass, long life ceramic burrs etc.)
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Throw away your crappy Keurig and it's overpriced k-cups (marketing and plastic) buy this and good whole beans and you are better off! I have a xelsis and I figure $0.08 -0.12 per cup of coffee.
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Can any one comment on the quality do the coffee compare to the nespresso?
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What are the brewing components in this machine made of?
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this was just on sale at seattlecoffeegear for $300. if you want this, and are not in a rush, i'd just wait and get it from them. their machines go on sale often.

this is a newer model that just came out this year. brewing is very similar to the saeco incanto line cause philips bought out saeco. the difference is the materials used and the features. this philips machine does NOT have as many customizations as the more expensive machines.

the brew unit IS removable and is made of plastic. uses the aquaclean system that lets you go 5000 brews without a descale. possibly longer if you have soft water. however, this "feature" requires that you buy 8 aquaclean filters at about $15-20 each.

not the greatest espresso, but it is good espresso. if you want amazing espresso, get a nice semi-auto. these superautos are for speed and convenience. but you will need to do weekly and monthly maintenance. don't think you'll never have to do any cleaning. if you are lazy about cleaning, just go get your starbucks cause a superauto will just be disgusting and destroyed.
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Can any one comment on the quality do the coffee compare to the nespresso?
It is significantly better, even with cheap coffee beans. It will be amazingly better with freshly roasted beans from somewhere local or online from a value:price roaster like Happy Mug (they offer some of the best value of fresh roasted coffee for the price anywhere).

The reason for this is because this machine will be grinding the beans fresh and you can choose the freshest beans you want and any beans you want or even use ground coffee if you prefer through the ground coffee bypass that if offers. Freshly grinding beans makes a huge difference in flavor and freshly grinding beans that were recently roasted takes it to another level!

Any specific or other questions, let me know. I'm super into coffee and have some really obnoxious gear, but I think that people should be able to get a really good cup of coffee or espresso for a reasonable price and time investment and without all the snobbery.
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Can any one comment on the quality do the coffee compare to the nespresso?
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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I'm debating BTW this one or just wait for the (BES870XL) to catch it with a good discount.
I miss the xsmall saeco who was in discount a week ago. Anyway I will wait if I find something this cibermonday
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Throw away your crappy Keurig and it's overpriced k-cups (marketing and plastic) buy this and good whole beans and you are better off! I have a xelsis and I figure $0.08 -0.12 per cup of coffee.Ke
Can't really compare Keurig to this... This is an espresso machine, which compares to the Nespresso pod setup.

But yes, I agree with you in general
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How does this compare with delonghi magnifica?
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Can any one comment on the quality do the coffee compare to the nespresso?
It's better in my experience, a lot better. I've never had a Nespresso capsule that tasted as good as shots from my superauto. If you don't use tasty beans you won't get good results, but I just don't think you can beat fresh ground beans. You do need to use dry beans to avoid headaches from clogging. I recommend starting with Italian espresso blends/companies to figure out what you like. They work well in these machines.
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What are the brewing components in this machine made of?
Mostly plastic and some metal parts. I'm only familiar with Philips/Saeco machines but I believe most have similar brewgroup designs.
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this was just on sale at seattlecoffeegear for $300. if you want this, and are not in a rush, i'd just wait and get it from them. their machines go on sale often.

this is a newer model that just came out this year. brewing is very similar to the saeco incanto line cause philips bought out saeco. the difference is the materials used and the features. this philips machine does NOT have as many customizations as the more expensive machines.

the brew unit IS removable and is made of plastic. uses the aquaclean system that lets you go 5000 brews without a descale. possibly longer if you have soft water. however, this "feature" requires that you buy 8 aquaclean filters at about $15-20 each.

not the greatest espresso, but it is good espresso. if you want amazing espresso, get a nice semi-auto. these superautos are for speed and convenience. but you will need to do weekly and monthly maintenance. don't think you'll never have to do any cleaning. if you are lazy about cleaning, just go get your starbucks cause a superauto will just be disgusting and destroyed.
It's a shame nobody posted it when it was $300.

I don't own this machine but it does have more grind settings (12) than most lower priced machines and even many more expensive, plus they bypass port for pre-ground. These machines actually benefit from a quality dose and grind so using the bypass is actually pretty good. I would say for the money this is a much higher featured machine than it would appear. If you are buying it for cappuccino/latte etc, it only has a simple wand and the more expensive machines with their fancy milk attachments are probably worth it. For basic espresso this is an ideal machine. It has a 2 year warranty as well.

Paying more will "not" mean less weekly/monthly maintenance. The basic brewgroup designs (at least for Phillips/Saeco and DeLonghi) all require routine maintenance. Daily, dumping pucks. Weekly, as simple as pulling out the brewgroup and giving it a quick rinse. Lubricating it with food grade silicone every few months (or however often it needs).
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How does this compare with delonghi magnifica?
On paper it has better specs, but many people are happy with the DeLonghi's. I would read as many reviews as possible. Unfortunately this a new Philips so there aren't a lot of reviews yet, but it does have a 2 year warranty. The weakest part of many of these is the grinder. The Carina has 12 grind settings which is great for this type of machine. I think the Carina compares very well to the DeLonghi, it's certainly cheaper too.
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