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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR 8 channel no HDD Amazon Lightning deal $135.99

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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/6MP/8MP/4K) POE Network Video Recorder - Supports up to 8 x 8MP/4K IP Cameras, 8-Channel Power Over Ethernet Supports up to 6TB HDD (Not Included)
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Might be a wash since amcrest has pretty good phone app and instant push notification.
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Might be a wash since amcrest has pretty good phone app and instant push notification.
Hi 5thgen

As they are both Dahua OEM I would hope you can use basically the same Dahua OEM software... ( As I understand it, most rebrands like Speco and Amcrest rebrand the OEM software )
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Too bad there is no deal on 16 channel NVR (w/ IVS) only.
That makes a 16 Channel Kit better deal as the 16ch NVR is like free in a 8 camera kit but that sacrifice the flexibililty to customize what cameras to use.
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matt2000 and megazone23 what 16 channel IVS NVR would you buy, even if there wasn't an amazing deal on it?

I'm looking to slowly piece together a system and I want the flexibility to add cameras as I see fit over time. I'm willing to pay more to get something that I know will work. Here's what i think so far for what I want to view.
  1. One camera viewing the driveway entrance to capture license plates and faces during the day and night (about 75 feet).
  2. Two cameras, one at the front door and one at the Garage, to act as a maybe like ring doorbell that allows 2 way communication and to capture face details of anyone entering the front or back of the property.
  3. Two cameras capturing high quality facial details for the front and side of the house.
  4. One camera inside the garage. High quality here is not required, this is just to quickly see what's going on there.

Your thoughts on choices for camera choices for the list above would be greatly appreciated Smilie
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matt2000 and megazone23 what 16 channel IVS NVR would you buy, even if there wasn't an amazing deal on it?

I'm looking to slowly piece together a system and I want the flexibility to add cameras as I see fit over time. I'm willing to pay more to get something that I know will work. Here's what i think so far for what I want to view.
  1. One camera viewing the driveway entrance to capture license plates and faces during the day and night (about 75 feet).
  2. Two cameras, one at the front door and one at the Garage, to act as a maybe like ring doorbell that allows 2 way communication and to capture face details of anyone entering the front or back of the property.
  3. Two cameras capturing high quality facial details for the front and side of the house.
  4. One camera inside the garage. High quality here is not required, this is just to quickly see what's going on there.

Your thoughts on choices for camera choices for the list above would be greatly appreciated Smilie
I'm deciding between the (the Lorex one has 2 way audio that might work for your purpose)
Lorex 16ch NVR w/ 8x 4K cameras with smart deterrence and smart motion detection
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...DAI168-1-p

or

Montavue 16ch NVR w/ 8x 4K cameras with IVS and AI (I think AI is the same as Lorex's smart motion detection)
https://montavue.com/shop/16-came...avue-mtip/

I think their NVR are probably the same (the back are the same) but Montavue has IVS. I'm not sure the Lorex can be reflashed to enable IVS or not (couldn't find instruction)
The same Dahua NVR will cost $300+ without HDD

I need 7 cameras for outside and 2 indoor baby cameras plus more if I need. I'm not picky with indoor cameras and will use a few Foscam R2 I already have.

For your garage, I think the Dahua 2MP will work fine
https://slickdeals.net/f/13652579-dahua-2mp-ip-poe-dome-security-camera-model-n22al12-dahua-starlight-b-h-52-50
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matt2000 and megazone23 what 16 channel IVS NVR would you buy, even if there wasn't an amazing deal on it?...
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I'm deciding between the (the Lorex one has 2 way audio that might work for your purpose)..
Hi NotAnotherRebate, Megazone23,

For IVS ( Dahua's term, Hikvision calls their version "smart events" ):
  • Montavue NVRs should have it ( at least the kits which have IVS mentioned )
  • Andy ( EmpireTech - Empiretecandy on ipcamtalk ) has a NVR52xx series which has it, the lower tier model may also ( however the lower tier has some limits... smaller HDDs.. )
  • LaView Saturn kits should have it.
  • Dahua OEM VMS software SmartPSS has it ( which you can run on a PC )

If you can't find a good deal on the NVR w/IVS - go with the Dahua OEM VMS software as you can find good deals on used business class PCs ( HP or Dell SFF are well liked ) + get a nice PoE switch ( ipcamtalk has a list )

The following deal got posted today by rzrfrk and has an NVR which has been documented to be able to accept a Dahua OEM firmware and thus enable IVS features on the NVR:
https://slickdeals.net/f/13679540-lorex-weatherproof-indoor-outdoor-home-surveillance-wired-security-system-16-channel-4k-ultra-hd-ip-3tb-nvr-system-w-4-outdoor-8mp-cameras-599-shipped

Thanks to mixmansc it is documented in the following ipcamtalk thread
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/lorex.26440/page-2
Note - you need to be comfortable with doing this as there is a risk you can potentially brick your NVR.
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If you can't find a good deal on the NVR w/IVS - go with the Dahua OEM VMS software as you can find good deals on used business class PCs ( HP or Dell SFF are well liked ) + get a nice PoE switch ( ipcamtalk has a list )
But buying a kit of 8 cameras is like getting the NVR for free compared to buying the cameras alone.

Those rackmount business end-of-line POE equipment can be cheap from ebay but get ready for loud fan. Got a like new managed 24-port POE+ with 4 10GB SFP+ switch for only $90, going to use it for wiring the house.

BTW, for anyone needs to know the difference, the no-button NVR from Lorex seems to be the lower end moodel with 200Mbps bit rate (Dahua NVR4216?), the one with buttons is 320Mbps w/ 2 USB 2.0 (Dahua NVR5216?) and Montavue is 320Mbps w/ 1 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0
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But buying a kit of 8 cameras is like getting the NVR for free compared to buying the cameras alone.

Those rackmount business end-of-line POE equipment can be cheap from ebay but get ready for loud fan. Got a like new managed 24-port POE+ with 4 10GB SFP+ switch for only $90, going to use it for wiring the house.

BTW, for anyone needs to know the difference, the no-button NVR from Lorex seems to be the lower end moodel with 200Mbps bit rate (Dahua NVR4216?), the one with buttons is 320Mbps w/ 2 USB 2.0 (Dahua NVR5216?) and Montavue is 320Mbps w/ 1 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0
Thanks Megazone, I was wondering about the new Lorex nvr. repped.

( yes, some of these kit deals are nice - as you note "like getting a NVR for free" )
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I did not think about making my own NVR. I have extra powerful PCs laying around from my Bitcoin mining adventure. I'll have to dig into this.

Is the open source software out there comparable to the pre-built NVRs? Can i access it via a phone app. Will i have to purchase software to manage the camera. Down the rabbit hole i go...
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If you can't find a good deal on the NVR w/IVS - go with the Dahua OEM VMS software as you can find good deals on used business class PCs ( HP or Dell SFF are well liked ) + get a nice PoE switch ( ipcamtalk has a list )
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I did not think about making my own NVR. I have extra powerful PCs laying around from my Bitcoin mining adventure. I'll have to dig into this.

Is the open source software out there comparable to the pre-built NVRs? Can i access it via a phone app. Will i have to purchase software to manage the camera. Down the rabbit hole i go...
Hi Not...

There seems to be little proper Open Source licensed VMS ( NVR software ) that is highly recommended for efficiency and features.

IPVM has a list of "free" to use VMS software..

Milestone is one - limits you on number of cameras
Dahua's OEM SmartPSS for Dahua cameras
Hikvisions OEM iVMS-4200 ( iirc ) for Hikvision Cameras

Blue Iris - about $50-60 iirc

In general you will need a Windows OS ...
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