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It certainly looks nice, but ugh..those reviews on NE.
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Tech Spot rated it as the worst card of 2019. Pass.
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The overwhelming complaints about driver issues are keeping me away from this card... anyone actually have success with it?
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The overwhelming complaints about driver issues are keeping me away from this card...
...and rightfully so!

I wanted to believe...
I've been an AMD guy most of my adult life.
Ran RX580 for about 2 years somewhat trouble-free. A freeze here, BSOD there - I figured that's the price I must pay.
I [still] play CSGO occasionally and while it ran high FPS it never felt super smooth.
Timeframe graphs finally revealed small, but felt, micro-stutters.
Did all I could to "tune it up" - nothing even changed.

Anyway,
Kids wanted higher FPS in other, current games, so I did a lot of research on current AMD-vs-NVIDIAs. While my gut feeling was to switch to the green team, I ultimately said F-it and got a RX5700 XT.
New 2020 Adrenaline drivers left me with flickers in CSGO menus.
Same drivers broke Danzerzone in CSGO partially (overlay not showing up at all when "danger zone" approaching).
It ran Borderlands 3 very nicely with "occasional" stutter, but really unnoticeable.
Now, in my stupid CSGO it still produced micro-stuttering, no matter the settings.
Sure, I ran 350-500 FPS, but looking at live graph in game you could just tell every few secs there was this small hick up.
I've had enough...and this isn't/wasn't acceptable after a $400+ video card purchase.
I doubt the hardware has any issues here, but damn you AMD and your drivers!

Long boring post short: I returned the RX5700XT, overpaid (what it feels like) for Nvidia 2070 Super, and while I see the same (or even less FPS in case of Borderlands3) performance in all of my games, they all run as smooth as you can imagine.
CSGO (I assume all Direct3D 9 titles too) timeframe graphs have none of the spikes AMD had, no flickers, no missing parts of the game.
Card runs cooler than AMD as well.

I'm still not happy for having to buy it over AMD, but man, some times enough is enough.
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PS:
Quick sys spec: Ryzen 3600, RTX2070S, 16GB C14 RAM, NVME, 144hz screen
...and please spare me any grief, AMD defense team (if any shows up). I've been doing this for a while.

Dunno if this helps anyone; not really trying to sway your decisions - just voicing one opinion + experience.
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...and rightfully so!

I wanted to believe...
I've been an AMD guy most of my adult life.
Ran RX580 for about 2 years somewhat trouble-free. A freeze here, BSOD there - I figured that's the price I must pay.
I [still] play CSGO occasionally and while it ran high FPS it never felt super smooth.
Timeframe graphs finally revealed small, but felt, micro-stutters.
Did all I could to "tune it up" - nothing even changed.

Anyway,
Kids wanted higher FPS in other, current games, so I did a lot of research on current AMD-vs-NVIDIAs. While my gut feeling was to switch to the green team, I ultimately said F-it and got a RX5700 XT.
New 2020 Adrenaline drivers left me with flickers in CSGO menus.
Same drivers broke Danzerzone in CSGO partially (overlay not showing up at all when "danger zone" approaching).
It ran Borderlands 3 very nicely with "occasional" stutter, but really unnoticeable.
Now, in my stupid CSGO it still produced micro-stuttering, no matter the settings.
Sure, I ran 350-500 FPS, but looking at live graph in game you could just tell every few secs there was this small hick up.
I've had enough...and this isn't/wasn't acceptable after a $400+ video card purchase.
I doubt the hardware has any issues here, but damn you AMD and your drivers!

Long boring post short: I returned the RX5700XT, overpaid (what it feels like) for Nvidia 2070 Super, and while I see the same (or even less FPS in case of Borderlands3) performance in all of my games, they all run as smooth as you can imagine.
CSGO (I assume all Direct3D 9 titles too) timeframe graphs have none of the spikes AMD had, no flickers, no missing parts of the game.
Card runs cooler than AMD as well.

I'm still not happy for having to buy it over AMD, but man, some times enough is enough.
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Quick sys spec: Ryzen 3600, RTX2070S, 16GB C14 RAM, NVME, 144hz screen
...and please spare me any grief, AMD defense team (if any shows up). I've been doing this for a while.

Dunno if this helps anyone; not really trying to sway your decisions - just voicing one opinion + experience.
Interesting, I'm considering the 5700 xt,but what are the spikes and stutter you're referring to? Is it like crossfire / sli microstutter?

On a side note, all Valve games are CPU bound. Maybe it was your Ryzen setup? Well anyway, glad you got it sorted out. I'm still on the fence on the 2070 vs 5700 xt. I think the 2070 is a bit overpriced for what it is.
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Interesting, I'm considering the 5700 xt,but what are the spikes and stutter you're referring to? Is it like crossfire / sli microstutter?
Load up Afterburner (or RTSS alone) and graph your "timeframes" to check/see for yourself what it is. It's essentially frame latency.
The heavier GPU load the longer is takes (takes more GPU resources) and you can tell how hard your card is working.
Nothing going on? Flat line, someone throws a smoke grenade? Card goes to work, graph line starts going up and down.

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On a side note, all Valve games are CPU bound. Maybe it was your Ryzen setup? Well anyway, glad you got it sorted out. I'm still on the fence on the 2070 vs 5700 xt. I think the 2070 is a bit overpriced for what it is.
Ryzen 3600? you must be kidding...
(I don't mean to sound obtuse by any means)
My CPU usage never goes above 35% in CSGO.
GPU usage was also b/w 40 and 85% on average.
The card/cpu combo isn't and wasn't overworked.

Without going too far into all this, and boring ppl to death:
The only change in my system is " out with the old RX5700XT and in with RTX2070Super."
DDU's AMD drivers, installed NVidia's and all latency/artifact/layer/etc issues disappeared.

Think what you want, but in my case, and apparently many, many others it is/was the AMD drivers.
Good luck with either choice.
I know the RX5700XT is really better in brute force than even this 2070Super of mine; just look at it's sheer power in Borderlands (100-120fps, vs 80-90 on NVidia).

...but, as stated previously, I'm not dealing with crappy software any more.
:aintbodobygottimefordat.giv:

And yes, NVidia is overpriced, which is why I'm still a bit salty for "having to" buy it.
Cheers!
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There is nothing wrong with 5700 XT per se, in fact I am using one right now.
It's the ASUS implementation of cooling that is the problem.
See Gamer Nexus benchmark of all the 5700xt cards.

P.S.
Running a Gigabyte card that is $380 after rebate from Microcenter.
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There is nothing wrong with 5700 XT per se, in fact I am using one fight now.
It's the ASUS implementation of cooling that is the problem.
See Gamer Nexus benchmark of all the 5700xt cards.

P.S.
running a Gigabyte card that is $380 after rebate from Microcenter.
It's a helluva card IMO.
I just lost patience.

I ran RX580 before the RX5700XT.
Updated drivers to the new 2020 ver and CSGO half-broke. Laughed for a bit, then as usual, spent 1/2 night tweaking, installing, uninstalling, etc to "fix" things.
CSGO went back to normal on old drivers.
...then I got the RX5700 XT. Same story!

You know why I returned it for NVidia? B/c I know that "old games" and Dx9 is on the bottom of the list for AMD, which have problems with even current stuff, so I have no hope of getting my games running correctly any time soon.

While getting ripped off by NVidia for comparable (worse?) product is aggravating, I must keep telling myself that I paid them off for maturity and stability of their software, at least when it comes to old games nobody plays-such as CSGO.
Wink

On a technical side: timeframe latency is real,and it matters to idiots like me in CSGO where every "split second" can mean the difference of life and death.
To each his own I guess.

Anyway,
I leave you all off with best wishes...
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Personally I have been on the Intel and Nvidia train for far too long.
I have always wanted to switch to AMD because they are (at least a bit more) pro-consumer, than Intel and Nvdia but they just never had products that were good enough.
With Zen and Navi though, I finally feel like for the first time I am getting better value for the dollar than Intel and Nvdia =D
Now I am team Red all the way (well, until team Blue and Green come out with something better the next time I upgrade my PC anyway)

Cheers and Merry Xmas!
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I have rx580 in 2 pcs, 290x in one NO problems for me


Quote from 99ways2die
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...and rightfully so!

I wanted to believe...
I've been an AMD guy most of my adult life.
Ran RX580 for about 2 years somewhat trouble-free. A freeze here, BSOD there - I figured that's the price I must pay.
I [still] play CSGO occasionally and while it ran high FPS it never felt super smooth.
Timeframe graphs finally revealed small, but felt, micro-stutters.
Did all I could to "tune it up" - nothing even changed.

Anyway,
Kids wanted higher FPS in other, current games, so I did a lot of research on current AMD-vs-NVIDIAs. While my gut feeling was to switch to the green team, I ultimately said F-it and got a RX5700 XT.
New 2020 Adrenaline drivers left me with flickers in CSGO menus.
Same drivers broke Danzerzone in CSGO partially (overlay not showing up at all when "danger zone" approaching).
It ran Borderlands 3 very nicely with "occasional" stutter, but really unnoticeable.
Now, in my stupid CSGO it still produced micro-stuttering, no matter the settings.
Sure, I ran 350-500 FPS, but looking at live graph in game you could just tell every few secs there was this small hick up.
I've had enough...and this isn't/wasn't acceptable after a $400+ video card purchase.
I doubt the hardware has any issues here, but damn you AMD and your drivers!

Long boring post short: I returned the RX5700XT, overpaid (what it feels like) for Nvidia 2070 Super, and while I see the same (or even less FPS in case of Borderlands3) performance in all of my games, they all run as smooth as you can imagine.
CSGO (I assume all Direct3D 9 titles too) timeframe graphs have none of the spikes AMD had, no flickers, no missing parts of the game.
Card runs cooler than AMD as well.

I'm still not happy for having to buy it over AMD, but man, some times enough is enough.
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PS:
Quick sys spec: Ryzen 3600, RTX2070S, 16GB C14 RAM, NVME, 144hz screen
...and please spare me any grief, AMD defense team (if any shows up). I've been doing this for a while.

Dunno if this helps anyone; not really trying to sway your decisions - just voicing one opinion + experience.
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Interesting, I'm considering the 5700 xt,but what are the spikes and stutter you're referring to? Is it like crossfire / sli microstutter?

On a side note, all Valve games are CPU bound. Maybe it was your Ryzen setup? Well anyway, glad you got it sorted out. I'm still on the fence on the 2070 vs 5700 xt. I think the 2070 is a bit overpriced for what it is.

I have rx580 in 2 pcs, 290x in one NO problems for me
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The TUF Gaming X3 is one of the worst performing 5700 XT cards out there. A reference blower card actually out-performs the Asus in many aspects so that should tell you a lot.

Many reviews have stated the VRM gets really hot and MEM can be at 100c+ while gaming because of overall poor thermal design. The main heatsink for the GPU uses an aluminum block instead of copper which also causes the GPU to run hot. I don't know what ASUS was thinking but I would pass on this card.
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