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I'm going to put in 2 cents, I've never posted on here but follow SD every day.

First, saying it's an etch is stupid, hydrofluoric acid is the industrial etch. That's like relating the oxygen in water to industrial peroxide. Furthermore, concentration matters in the world of chemistry. Look at peroxide, again. Your own body makes it daily and its part of your nonspecific immune system. If I put you in a vat of 70%, you'll melt.

I have an MD and a DDS. I went to dental school, wasn't for me. Did an OMFS residency with a year of general surgery, blah blah. I've probably got well over 25,000 hours of training and research under my belt (I read once the average resident has over 25k). I practiced public health dentistry on the side during med school, and OMFS is a 6 year residency. I know this stuff, more than a dentist, more than a physician, and definitely more than a guy who read a lot of agenda websites and clickbait. I've read it, I've practiced it, and used it, and I've seen the effects.

Fluoride free toothpaste is a waste of money. First, let's put aside your thoughts of fluoride. Foremost, no ingredient in toothpaste has been shown to significantly decrease dental caries disease BESIDES fluoride. Classically, toothpaste is not soap --- although some formulations do include a detergent as SLS, but again, not proven to help, and the SLS is there as a foaming agent to help delivery of fluoride to sub-sulcular spaces, ie under the gumline. The paste is nothing but a vehicle for fluoride. Without fluoride, it's worthless. Brushing without fluoride does prevent caries and gum disease --- BRUSHING. If you do not want to use fluoride, then brush with a brush and water. I have my bro brush my niece and nephews teeth (3 yo) with a brush and water. If you do that twice a day and they have low simple sugar contact, they won't get cavities.

Onto the top of fluoride itself. It's the 9th most common element on earth. There is more fluoride in a serving of green tea than a "Serving" of toothpaste or a glass of fluoridated water. The original concept came from a "natural experiment." There was a town in colorado with high F content in the ground water, and researchers noticed lower caries incidence and prevalence. Public fluoridation of water decreased caries in this country by 36%. Anti-F people love to point out that the EU doesn't fluoridate their water, but that's because of their infrastructure, so instead they fluoridate their salt. Now the Harvard paper has been called into question by plenty of entities outside of dentistry, including medicine. Pediatrics has moved aggressively in the last decade to have pedes MDs use fluoride varnish at well child visits. Furthermore, the author's aren't against fluoride toothpaste---they're calling into question over-fluoridation of the public, which is legitimate IN SOME AREAS. It's called the "Halo Effect" of fluoride. Effectively, a kid's water if fluoridated, their public school foods and home food is cooked in fluoridated water, they receive fluoride PO pills at elementary and/or middle school or gel, and their dentist does gel or varnish fluoride treatments, as could their pediatrician. If those all line up, the kids are getting too much, and there has been proposals to lessen the ppm level of F in public water, but the cost of doing so simply makes that not happen. Pediatrics push is not for the kids who are seeing a dentist, their whole varnish wave is to try and catch the kids who DON'T see the dentist. But in general, there's potential for kids to be over fluoridated.

Now, Fluoride has 2 mechanisms, the original concept was that it changes hydroxyapetite to flourohydroxyaptite, which is more acid resistant. However, that's probably trivial. More important is that is catalyses a "nucleation" reaction that remineralizes tooth enamel that's been etched by acids through the day. Since this is the main mechanism, the most important variable for fluoride preventing caries is FREQUENCY. IE brushing is still the best. The high concentration treatments like gel and varnish are an attempt to increase the first mechanism, not nucleation.

Lastly, there are still areas in this country with high levels of fluoride in their aquifers, such as west texas and colorado. In these cities, we do not see an abnormal or outlier concentration of stupid people, bone disease, osteosarcomas, or kids with developmental abnormalities.

If you want to decrease fluoride contact, fine -- but brushing isn't the area i'd do so. That being said, it's probably not going to help you in any way. If you are a regular tea drinker, your intake is significantly higher than a guy who brushes three times a day every day. I drink tea like its water. I brush twice a day with a fluoride paste. I use tap water because it's free and clean. I do not let the dentist gel or varnish my teeth, but i would if I had an impaired immune system, chronic dry mouth, or needed radiation in the area. I have the education, and I do this. You probably don't know better than me.

Someone copy this and repost it every time a F-free paste pops up and this argument is rehashed.


By the PURPOSE of this website, this is not a deal. You're buying something that serves no purpose. If you dont want fluoride, brush with nothing.
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One of the top 10 public health achievements of the 20th century.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/...4841a1.htm

If the CDC isn't good enough for you, I have plenty of vetted NIH studies.

Edit: specifically....I was gonna be funny and ask the first commenter if they would be happy if fluoride was completely eliminated off the planet.
Never in my wildest dreams did I think someone would actually believe that would be good.
Thanks for opening my eyes to the amazing diversity of human intelligence!
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See, this is the issue with modern debate, political, anti-science, or otherwise. You just come in ready to push your view, read what/how you want to read my reply in order to make it fit into your view so you can post what you want, totally clinging to your stance without the consideration otherwise.

As I said, Europe fluoridates their salt instead. They also varnish teeth in public healthcare systems in most of the countries, which isnt an option in the US as we have a private system.

You saw I was a doctor and wanted to slap on the indoctrinated label, make me a big pharma drone or whatever mental metaphor you need to disregard the opinions of those more knowledgeable in a subject matter than yourself. I gave you a centric, reasonable, and educated stance. I both acknowledged that we're probably over-fluoridated, but that fluoride has value and why, and summed up the issue with this product in that F-free paste is worthless, regardless of your stance of fluoride. But you didn't see or acknowledge any of that. You just wanted to post your nonsense. Good luck out there and may god/allah/spaghetti have mercy on your soul. Pack honey in your doomsday shelter, it never goes bad.
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This is perfect bought some last time. My 3rd eye is opening.
Please stop eating your toothpaste. Most people don't eat it and use fluoride as they should...topically.
When used in this manner fluoride has been one of the key factors in nearly doubling human life expectancy over the last 100 years.
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I assume you are trying to be funny, but people be aware Fluoride is not good for anything in or on top of the human body. Use it for industrial etching or sanitizing Ebola class biological threats. Pure poison period. Tom's of Maine is not my favorite brand, but any toothpaste deal without fluoride I will REP.. ++
One of the top 10 public health achievements of the 20th century.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/...4841a1.htm

If the CDC isn't good enough for you, I have plenty of vetted NIH studies.

Edit: specifically....I was gonna be funny and ask the first commenter if they would be happy if fluoride was completely eliminated off the planet.
Never in my wildest dreams did I think someone would actually believe that would be good.
Thanks for opening my eyes to the amazing diversity of human intelligence!
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Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rainwater, and only pure-grain alcohol?
Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?
Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
Mandrake: No, no I don't know what it is, no.
Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
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This fluoride free fad is disgusting.
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Great for getting cavities. Seriously, folks -- just use fluoride toothpaste.
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They should bundle it with tin foil hat
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Went through and down voted all the pro-fluoride sheeple and upvoted all the free anti-fluoride free thinkers.
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For all the people that are up-voting your comment filled with a CDC statement from 1999, 20 years ago, read the JAMA journal (extensive study) Here is an excerpt;

"JAMA Pediatrics editor-in-chief, Dr. Dimitri Christakis,

"Before there were anti-vaxxers there were anti-fluoriders, and the traditional teaching when I was going through residency in my early professional career was, 'fluoride is completely safe and all of these people trying to take it out of the water are nuts. It's the best thing that's ever happened for children's dental health and we need to push back and get it into every water system' …

So, when I first saw this title ['Association Between Maternal Fluoride Exposure During Fetal Development and IQ Scores in Offspring in Canada'], my initial inclination was, 'What the hell?"

Christakis goes on to express shock at the discovery that only 3% of European residents, while 66% of Americans and 38% of Canadians drink fluoridated water (statistics noted in the JAMA Pediatrics paper26), as he was under the assumption that all developed countries fluoridated all their water supplies. This just goes to show the general ignorance that still exists even among well-educated health professionals.

Christakis and JAMA Network Open editor-in-chief Dr. Frederick Rivara also express mutual surprise that the effect of water fluoridation on IQ was so great. They point out that a 5-point reduction is significant indeed, as it's "on par with LEAD."

To encourage individual thinking, consider this:
- Look up the chemical structure of the Fluoride family. Think about what is does to tissue. It is a calcification process.;
Example what is does to skin: http://www.eatonhand.com/complic/figures/hfl.jpg
- I am not that against topical application by a dentist for the ones that choose so.
- The FDA considers it nowadays "a drug" , great that means that it needs to be administered based on subject weight under supervision of a medical professional. Sadly if you put it into food/toothpaste and the water supply it is impossible to control how much your "patients" intake is.
Agree...who trusts CDC...its run by corporations.
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