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I've wanted to get a graphics (display) tablet for a long time. I'm tempted to pull the trigger on this. How does these Cintiqs REALLY compare to the XP-Pen tablets? I guess I'm resigned to being tethered to the PC, and having an HDMI port taken (which is being used currently by my Oculus Rift). It would be nice if they ran a single, pure USB-C to the PC for connectivity AND display.
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I own a Huion 1060. I've never had an issue and it's always been reliable, also under $100. Also am I crazy or are these really not a deal at all?
I use the same and it's pretty good
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tried to add: Wacom Cintiq Pro 13 Graphic Tablet - DTH1320AK0 Refurbished
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display regular price of 579 when I check out...
did I miss a code? or something?
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I own a Huion 1060. I've never had an issue and it's always been reliable, also under $100. Also am I crazy or are these really not a deal at all?
Came here to say the same. Have an h640p and do a full-time retouching job with it. No complaints.
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I've owned several Cintiqs and always loved them but I got most of them secondhand on Craig's list for way cheaper. These things are not worth the asking price (sometimes not even half the price) when you consider how much cheaper the competition is. Yes, Wacom usually has the leading tech and more of a premium feel, but functionally, they are not multitudes better, rather marginally. There is one huge benefit of Wacoms though and it's the resolution, with some models supporting 4k. But we're talking about the top end models that are well over $2,000. The only time I bought a Wacom new is the Cintiq Pro 16 upon release, and I ended up selling it in 4 months and bought a cheaper but larger alternative and pocketed the difference.

If you're not a professional, I'd go for the cheaper alternatives (Huion, XP-Pen, even Dell has a cheaper one). Even if you're a pro, unless your company actually requires you to use a Wacom for some reason or need the utmost color accuracy, the alternatives are fine enough for most your work.
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I bought a used XP-Pen Deco-01 (their entry level model) for $30 shipped off ebay, I honestly notice no difference between it and my old Wacom Intuos, and it actually has a larger surface area. I don't know what kind of leaps these latest generation Intuos ones have made, but I simply can't imagine them doing enough to justify this kind of price hike.

You can get the Deco-01 for $49.99 new direct from XP-Pen. And the higher end models aren't that much more.

There was a time where Wacom dominated this market and it wasn't even close, all other competitors paled in comparison. That time has passed and unless you're a top tier professional or this stuff is a tax write off for you I don't know what would possess someone to pay $150 for something that's at best 10% better.
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I've owned several Cintiqs and always loved them but I got most of them secondhand on Craig's list for way cheaper. These things are not worth the asking price (sometimes not even half the price) when you consider how much cheaper the competition is. Yes, Wacom usually has the leading tech and more of a premium feel, but functionally, they are not multitudes better, rather marginally. There is one huge benefit of Wacoms though and it's the resolution, with some models supporting 4k. But we're talking about the top end models that are well over $2,000. The only time I bought a Wacom new is the Cintiq Pro 16 upon release, and I ended up selling it in 4 months and bought a cheaper but larger alternative and pocketed the difference.

If you're not a professional, I'd go for the cheaper alternatives (Huion, XP-Pen, even Dell has a cheaper one). Even if you're a pro, unless your company actually requires you to use a Wacom for some reason or need the utmost color accuracy, the alternatives are fine enough for most your work.
The new Xp-Pen Artist 22R Pro is better than all but the top of the line cintiqs.
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I'm guessing precision is in the cost? Or maybe compatibility? Are you a professional? I'd really like to hear more about Huion and your experience.
No I'm just a hobbyist. I've used it on OSX, Win 10, and Ubuntu 18.04. I've never had any major issues with it.

Overall if you do it as a hobby, you do not need something expensive. If you're a professional, you're probably drawing an income that warrants an expensive purchase.
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Came here to say the same. Have an h640p and do a full-time retouching job with it. No complaints.
Yeah cheap tablets are still very useful and reliable for the minor useage and enthusiast crowd.
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Would love to know if you've ever tried a similar wacom model. I'd like to be budget-friendly and get one for photo editing, however I don't want to purchase and return or have something break a few months later.
Sounds like you won't be using it professionally or for many hours out of the day. If not, Huion is a lot more budget friendly. This comparison [vsearch.com] explains the differences, but it mostly comes down to build quality and support. Huions hold up and work well, so I'd check those out.
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I have a Huion, Wacom, and Surface Book 2... I only use the Huion and the SB2. The Wacom sometimes has driver issues for me. But for the cost, Huion all day.
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Comparing a display tablet like the Cintiq Pro line to tablets and standalones don't really make much sense since the Surface and iPad Pro are mobile products. A more apt comparison would be the Wacom MobileStudio Pro vs Surface vs iPad. In this comparison, The MSP falls short in crucially important categories, notably battery life, brightness, and portability. It might lead in terms of drawing experience (etched surface, slightly superior pen tech), but it's also more than twice the price than a surface and three times as much as an iPad pro. As far as pressure sensitivity, they're all on the same plane of 4086-8094, but regardless, I bet the majority of the people couldn't tell the difference.

I use Cintiqs on a regular basis and I enjoy using them, but hobbyists or people new to graphics drawing displays, Wacom is hardly the best way to go.
We do get to travel a bit, and the Cintiq 16" is on the borderline of excessive when visiting coffee places. It's a pricey bit of kit, which can be safely taken along on long trips to foreign lands - but you may not want to take it out at a coffee house in Cabo, or Saigon.

Shanghai was the minimum with Moscow and St. Petersburg being okay. Point is that even in many places any high end tablet is NOT something you're going to lug around.

The safer bet for portability (and power) is a camera for capturing the references and a sketchpad (along with pencils and sharpeners).

So we kept the higher end equipment in the hotel room, and this includes the Macbooks with which we connect to the Cintiq and did the work then (when not playing Civ VI)

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Appreciate the info, but when you say "no comparison," has your wife made the comparison?
Yes, to many. The stupid Wacoms really are (IMO) priced at the high-end, and she has zero problem going with a cheaper option if one is available. The latest "test" was the Samsung S6 Tablet, which we used over a weekend and returned to Costco.

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I can understand that the top of the line Wacom is great and is what she uses, but it seems like the Huions and Xp-pens are *really good*.
She has heard good things about them, but for a "professional" user, the Wacoms are what you're going to find being used in industry. When I watch her go over some of the videos, the users (who are getting paid for what they're doing) are using the Wacoms.

Are iPads good? Yes. Are the Samsung Tablets? Yup. But are they as good as the Wacoms?

No, I don't think so.

Buy once, cry once. The cheap equipment will have limitations that you will encounter, increase your frustration level and potentially introduce errors.

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Similarly, Canon's 24-70 2.8 is often regarded as the go-to lens for that zoom range, but the comparison can be made that the Tamron and Sigma Art are pretty darn good while being ~$650 cheaper. If I'd only used the Canon, I might say "there's no comparison," when in reality there is.
Now that's something I can relate to. FX or DX? Most people are going to be fine with a DX

I shoot with a full frame camera (Nikon) and have had the opportunity to use some of the cheaper lenses. Tamron and Sigma included. I've also gone through the fixed lenses and keep them around for the low light situations (35mm and 50mm chiefly). I have two zoom lenses that are part of my kit, and have several lenses (and cameras) that basically are gathering dust. The latest was a Nikkor 16-35mm F4 VR.

When you're going for that once-in-a-lifetime shot (I live about 2 hours from Yosemite and travel) then you don't want to leave anything left to chance. A cheap lens can capture a scene, and we know that it more often comes down to skill than the equipment ("professionals talk training, amateurs talk equipment") but the likelihood of introducing an aberration (lens flare, barrel distortion or inadequate focal length) increases - most can be corrected with Lightroom

Can a PC do as much as a Mac? Mostly. Can a Macbook laptop do as much as an iMac? Sure. But will it be as good as a Mac Pro?

Life can be full of compromises, Harbor Freight versus Dewalt / Milwaukee. You just have to figure out how much (and valuable) is your time and energy.
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Buy once, cry once. The cheap equipment will have limitations that you will encounter, increase your frustration level and potentially introduce errors.

Life can be full of compromises, Harbor Freight versus Dewalt / Milwaukee. You just have to figure out how much (and valuable) is your time and energy.
I normally agree with these sentiments, but it's different in the case of Wacom versus the competition. For one, Milwaukees are still fairly priced compared to cheaper alternatives. They're not staggeringly higher while providing much better quality. Can't say the same for Wacom, where they are priced out of this world while providing heavily diminishing returns. Many of the limitations (lower pressure sensitivity, which most cannot tell apart anyway, tilt controls, which many do have, higher resolution, which most would not use for smaller displays) are naught for most hobbyists and even professionals. This is coming from experience. I've gone through roughly all the drawing tablet brands and do enjoy Wacom products, but would never come even close to paying full price (again).

So, for the fundamental features, Wacom doesn't perform much better, if at all, than the competition:

Pen tech: many actually license Wacom tech here but even then, most of them work fine outside of things like n-trig (Microsoft). Battery-operated alternatives carry similar pressure sensitivity, buttons, and tilt support.

Screen parallax: Wacom used to lead here, but not any longer. Parallax (the distance between the pen touching screen and the display itself) is similar in most top-end alternatives.

Resolution: Most alternatives are 1080p, but we do have some with higher, like the Dell Canvas. This isn't always a benefit to Wacom though, since something like the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 might support 4k but make GUIs much harder to access in apps like Photoshop.

Battery Life: specifically the MSP, people reported 3 hours battery life. That is much less than the Surface and iPad Pros.
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