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Bought the Trestles 15's from REI just under 2 years ago for a camp trip with my wife. Returned both. The women's are thicker (for lower core temps) and more filling so she was too hot and not much wiggle room.

Mine was freezing in the morning and it was only 55 deg F outside of Lake Anna in VA. When I held it up to sunlight you can see the filling is not uniform. Lots of spots had no insulation. The double side top zippers were great, however the long side bottom zipper got stuck after first use.

Your experience may vary but I paid 80-100 at the time and exchanged for a North Face dolomite 20 for wife and a cheaper REI trail pod 15 for $50 which has better insulation. Less features but warmer and happier.
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Very much worth the $20-30 upgrade.

One item of note, a bag's temp rating is the "survival" temp, not a comfort temp. It's the "you definitely won't die from hypothermia" temperature. Most people prefer 10-15 degrees above that temp for comfort.

You can get a $15 bag liner to add between 5-10 degrees to a bag (as well as keep it cleaner for longer) for ex:
https://www.amazon.com/Volcano-Mo...07H8JQR5M/

Synthetic bags rated at really low temperatures are not very versatile, but down bags can be used at nearly any temp. So while the 15 degree bag here sounds good, unless it's around freezing at night you'll burn out.

I have the Kelty Cosmic 20 degree and that liner above, and run a little bit warm, and find it almost perfect at around freezing for a nightly low.
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I edited my post shortly after making because I realized that not all bag manufactures use EN/ISO ratings, but most do. No one is trying to prove you wrong. Just making sure people are informed....
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Several of the bags have the choice of LZ or RZ available
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Solid bag.
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Bought the Trestles 15's from REI just under 2 years ago for a camp trip with my wife. Returned both. The women's are thicker (for lower core temps) and more filling so she was too hot and not much wiggle room.

Mine was freezing in the morning and it was only 55 deg F outside of Lake Anna in VA. When I held it up to sunlight you can see the filling is not uniform. Lots of spots had no insulation. The double side top zippers were great, however the long side bottom zipper got stuck after first use.

Your experience may vary but I paid 80-100 at the time and exchanged for a North Face dolomite 20 for wife and a cheaper REI trail pod 15 for $50 which has better insulation. Less features but warmer and happier.
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Bought the Trestles 15's from REI just under 2 years ago for a camp trip with my wife. Returned both. The women's are thicker (for lower core temps) and more filling so she was too hot and not much wiggle room.

Mine was freezing in the morning and it was only 55 deg F outside of Lake Anna in VA. When I held it up to sunlight you can see the filling is not uniform. Lots of spots had no insulation. The double side top zippers were great, however the long side bottom zipper got stuck after first use.

Your experience may vary but I paid 80-100 at the time and exchanged for a North Face dolomite 20 for wife and a cheaper REI trail pod 15 for $50 which has better insulation. Less features but warmer and happier.
What sleeping pad are you using?
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If you have a few more bucks get a down bag, commonly can find them for 80-100 bucks. Something like Kelty Cosmic Down. They weigh far less, and down is more breathable making it less prone to overheating.
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Man, these are some nice bags for those that like them. I just cannot handle the claustrophobia I feel in these types of bags. I gave mine to my son and he loves it. YMMV
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If you have a few more bucks get a down bag, commonly can find them for 80-100 bucks. Something like Kelty Cosmic Down. They weigh far less, and down is more breathable making it less prone to overheating.
They actually have a 650 fill bag for 90 as part of this sale
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They actually have a 650 fill bag for 90 as part of this sale
Very much worth the $20-30 upgrade.

One item of note, a bag's temp rating is the "survival" temp, not a comfort temp. It's the "you definitely won't die from hypothermia" temperature. Most people prefer 10-15 degrees above that temp for comfort.

You can get a $15 bag liner to add between 5-10 degrees to a bag (as well as keep it cleaner for longer) for ex:
https://www.amazon.com/Volcano-Mo...07H8JQR5M/

Synthetic bags rated at really low temperatures are not very versatile, but down bags can be used at nearly any temp. So while the 15 degree bag here sounds good, unless it's around freezing at night you'll burn out.

I have the Kelty Cosmic 20 degree and that liner above, and run a little bit warm, and find it almost perfect at around freezing for a nightly low.
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If you have a few more bucks get a down bag, commonly can find them for 80-100 bucks. Something like Kelty Cosmic Down. They weigh far less, and down is more breathable making it less prone to overheating.
The kelty cosmic 20 is $180 new and only weighs in about 1 lb (2lbs 10oz) less than the 30 degree marmot bag. If you're going to spend $180 you might as well go with the Aegismax G2. At $169 its a 20-30 degree bag that weighs in at less than 1 1/2 lbs.
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One item of note, a bag's temp rating is the "survival" temp, not a comfort temp. It's the "you definitely won't die from hypothermia" temperature. Most people prefer 10-15 degrees above that temp for comfort.
This is mostly no longer true:

https://www.thermarest.com/blog/e...g-ratings/

Most major sleeping bag manufacturers use a three part rating system based on the EN/ISO temperature rating standards. They should all be clearly labeled with a Comfort, Extreme range. Some also use a "Transition" range.

Additionally those ratings have HUGE variances based on a number of different factors including what you eat before going to sleep, how well the bag fits, how well hydrated you are, what type of sleeping pad you are using etc.

You could bring a $1,000 -20* bag on a trip with night time temps ranging in the low 20's and freeze your ass off if you're sleeping on a non insulated sleeping pad.

There are SO many variables involved with how well you keep warm while sleeping in a sleeping bag. Understanding these variables makes for a MUCH better nights sleep while backpacking/camping.
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This is no longer true:

https://www.thermarest.com/blog/e...g-ratings/

All sleeping bags produced today have a three part rating system based on the EN/ISO temperature rating standards. They should all be clearly labeled with a Comfort, Transition and Extreme range.

Additionally those ratings have HUGE variances based on a number of different factors including what you eat before going to sleep, how well the bag fits, how well hydrated you are, what type of sleeping pad you are using etc.

You could bring a $1,000 -20* bag on a trip with night time temps ranging in the low 20's and freeze your ass off if you're sleeping on a non insulated sleeping pad.

There are SO many variables involved with how well you keep warm while sleeping in a sleeping bag. Understanding these variables makes for a MUCH better nights sleep while backpacking/camping.
Not everyone has the multiple ratings on their bag, and yes it is extremely subjective.

The Cosmic goes on sale for $126 very frequently, but was just an example. There's plenty of options out there.

Of course there's tons of variance, but if you are getting recommendations from a slickdeal thread I hope you aren't going on a below-freezing backpacking trip on that information alone.

But *slow clap* you proved me wrong!
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Not everyone has the multiple ratings on their bag, and yes it is extremely subjective.

The Cosmic goes on sale for $126 very frequently, but was just an example. There's plenty of options out there.

Of course there's tons of variance, but if you are getting recommendations from a slickdeal thread I hope you aren't going on a below-freezing backpacking trip on that information alone.

But *slow clap* you proved me wrong!
I edited my post shortly after making because I realized that not all bag manufactures use EN/ISO ratings, but most do. No one is trying to prove you wrong. Just making sure people are informed....
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I can't comment on brand.

But the 30° simply means you won't die at that temp... It's not claiming to be comfortable at 30.

That goes for all sleeping bags.
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