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I love that this is right now the one area in my life that is COVID-19 free so I really dont want this to start a debate but it occurred to me that even though many of us might be already in a great place as far as self isolating goes dues to stockpiling, some thought about where you would isolate someone in your home and where your stockpile lives might be a good idea.

We keep our food stockpile in a pantry we built in out FROG guestroom (Front Room Over Garage, has an ensuite and is larger than your typical bedroom). That's the ideal spot for one of us to self isolate if necessary, although we'd likely both have exposure its good to have an option to isolate from one another if we feel a situation warrants it. I just spent a little time bringing some of the food stockpile downstairs so that it would be accessible if needed. I didnt relocate everything but enough to give some options. I did relocate all of our soup LOL but we were running low so it wasnt a hundred cans.

Hopefully none of us need this tip but I thought Id mention it because it just occurred to me and I have been following COVID-19 for a long while now due to our planned Italy trip later this spring. Please no fights about if this is an over reaction or not. I figured at worst Ive got my weights and stairs for the day (and some future day when I haul it all back) done. Wink

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Great tip. I would hope and expect folks not to seclude anyone in the proximity of their food and supplies, but sometimes you need to point out the obvious.

P.S.Do you even lift, bro? Wink
Aaaachoo! Oh, that reminds me, gotta go make dinner. Wink
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Good thinking! Thanks for posting.
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about a week ago ebay & amazon had over ten thousand listings for hand sanitizer. amazon eliminated most listings and ebay gave 8k the axe.
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1. If you're isolating an infected at your home, often, the ventilation system recirculate air across all rooms when heating.

Within the infected room, air purifiers like the Sharp Plasmacluster have had research done on the deactivation of viruses. Having a unit on continuously to significantly reduce the airborne viral load would be smart.

Otherwise, you'd have to have central air that pulls from an external air source and push fresh air to all rooms (a window slightly open in the infected room allows the infected air to be mostly pushed outdoors rather than pulled inside to recirculate.)

2. Canned and retort foods.
Not the biggest concern where it's located assuming that caretakers will need to enter the infected patient's room anyways.
Drop them into boiling water, or wash with soap and water kills/eliminates the virus on the containers.

3. Studies already done.
Families living together with an infected become infected much easier.
Doomed.
We'll be living in our own cars soon.
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Amazon/ebay are just being greedy and keeping the sales to themselves. They ought to leave supply and demand to the market and let people buy what they want. (Ie. Before, no cheap supplies anywhere. After, still none. All out. But at least before, you could buy expensive supplies.)
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Not the biggest concern where it's located assuming that caretakers will need to enter the infected patient's room anyways.
Self isolation should mean just that. Isolation. Our plan is to use the FROG for the infected person with the other person dropping off food/ supplies outside the door as needed. If you dont have a room/ bathroom combo where you can isolate, next best is to try to use "sides" of your home if your house is set up that way. If you must share spaces its recommended to not occupy the same space at the same time if possible. With cleaning taking place in between.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interacti...s.amp.html

This map is amazing. It show the number of cases in each state. This will give us a better view of how everyone is faring.
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about a week ago ebay & amazon had over ten thousand listings for hand sanitizer. amazon eliminated most listings and ebay gave 8k the axe.

did you read about the 2 brothers stockpiling 17K bottles of hand sanitizers and was one of the seller that Amazon axed.


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did you read about the 2 brothers stockpiling 17K bottles of hand sanitizers and was one of the seller that Amazon axed.


https://www.insider.com/man-who-s...hem-2020-3

Yes. he donated it all but he's facing a criminal investigation for price gouging which is illegal in his state.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interacti...s.amp.html

This map is amazing. It show the number of cases in each state. This will give us a better view of how everyone is faring.
Not much to think about.

Take today's numbers.
Exponential doubling every 2 days or so.

E.g. If CA has 100 today, in two days, 200, 4 days 400 infected. Ditto with deaths.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-po...-hong-kong

America has not shut down everything like China did yet, so it's going to get worse for some time.

Trump actually did speak correctly on this point - pandemic until July, August like most predictions of the outbreak.

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Yes. he donated it all but he's facing a criminal investigation for price gouging which is illegal in his state.
Sadly, just big businesses shutting down the little guy as always. Greedy - only Amazon can make the $$$.

Before - No cheap toilet paper and sanitizers anywhere, but expensive paper and sanitizer were thanks to sellers like him.

After - No cheap supplies anywhere, and you can't buy it even if you paid more.

Artificial control of supply and demand only to give big businesses the advantage.

Honestly, if there were services to deliver pristine rolls of paper to your bathroom, installed, and even wipe your butt for you for $$$, sure! Why not?
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3. Studies already done.
Families living together with an infected become infected much easier.
Doomed.
Agreed. Unless you are self-isolating before exposure, by the time you know someone else in your household has it, you already have it too. Seems futile to try to self-isolate from others in your household at that point.

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Before - No cheap toilet paper and sanitizers anywhere
yeah b/c he bought 17,000 of them bulb
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Coronavirus in the U.S.: Map of where cases have been confirmed across the country
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-u-s-map-where-virus-has-been-confirmed-across... [nbcnews.com]
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Before - No cheap toilet paper and sanitizers anywhere, but expensive paper and sanitizer were thanks to sellers like him.

After - No cheap supplies anywhere, and you can't buy it even if you paid more.
Are you seriously advocating that price gouging is OK as long as you are a "little guy"?

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Yes. he donated it all but he's facing a criminal investigation for price gouging which is illegal in his state.
And I hope he gets the biggest punishment allowed and that his "donation" in NOT taken into consideration during sentencing. He is disgusting.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interacti...s.amp.html

This map is amazing. It show the number of cases in each state. This will give us a better view of how everyone is faring.
Thanks! Do you have any idea if this is being regularly updated? JH took down the county statistics, understandably. But now that its only broken down by state there isnt a good sense of how close reported outbreaks are geographically for a lot of people. Some of the outbreaks in my state are further from me than outbreaks in a neighboring state. Although I believe this is likely based more on testing than actual spread, I still like following where the reported outbreaks are in relation to me.

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Agreed. Unless you are self-isolating before exposure, by the time you know someone else in your household has it, you already have it too. Seems futile to try to self-isolate from others in your household at that point.
This is untrue. There are HH members that do not contract COVID-19 even with an infected HH member based on studies out of China. You are able to spread before you are symptomatic however the amount of live virus you shed at that point is in a much lower concentration than once you become symptomatic. If everyone in the HH is practicing good hygiene and self isolation occurs at the onset of symptoms, I cant help but believe that other members of the HH may be spared. This is especially critical for at risk portions of the population. Other than a slight gender disparity there doesnt seem to be any particular segment of the population that is more likely to get COVID-19 than another. Contrary to some reports based on whole population numbers, the HH studies that were conducted in China found that all age groups seemed to be equally as likely to catch COVID-19. The difference between at risk populations and non at risk populations is the severity once COVID-19 is caught. So, especially for those with at risk HH members, it is definitely worth it to self isolate as quickly as possible.

There is also an early study that seems to indicate there are changes to the lung tissue, even if the patient never became symptomatic. I havent seen much follow up to this but, honestly, we are basically in triage and not research mode so I am not expecting to see many more studies like this for a few more months.

It is a often reported "fact" that you build immunity to COVID-19 once youve had it. AFAIK there arent actual scientific studies that back this however there have been cases of a person becoming well and then becoming sick again a couple of weeks later. Again these reports are out of China. I know a lot of people have trouble taking the Chinese articles at face value. I tend to be on the side of believing them at this point because I think China is willing to do things that we are not. And some of those measures may give us insights into this virus that we are months from being in a place we can explore. Plus, the early reports, articles and warnings that Ive read are just close to what is actually happening to not at least pause and give them some weight.
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Agreed. Unless you are self-isolating before exposure, by the time you know someone else in your household has it, you already have it too. Seems futile to try to self-isolate from others in your household at that point.



yeah b/c he bought 17,000 of them bulb
That's nothing vs total usa supply or even supply for a city.
Toilet paper is about 8-10 pallets for 17000 rolls. Wouldn't even dent the supply in a city.

Difference between allowing someone to sell at any price the market can handle vs excessive hording.

Anyone ought to be allowed to buy and sell a quantity of anything, toilet paper even. Set it at a pallet per person max. Then let capitalism take care of things.

As for excessive hording, simply implement an ID based purchase quantity verification. You bought your pallet for the month, that is it. No more.

"coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. "

Time to stock up on copper!!
(If you're a manufacturer of door handles, grab bars, etc.)

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/...faces.html

https://healthmanagement.org/c/ic...ut-costs-1

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Difference between allowing someone to sell at any price the market can handle vs excessive hording.

Anyone ought to be allowed to buy and sell a quantity of anything, toilet paper even. Set it at a pallet per person max. Then let capitalism take care of things.

As for excessive hording, simply implement an ID based purchase quantity verification. You bought your pallet for the month, that is it. No more.
This is an obviously fascinating topic for discussion but it all comes down to human nature if you ask me. People generally are good by nature but self preservation is in our DNA.
I found that man scooping up as much Purell as possible to knowingly resell it at a huge markup both industrious and reprehensible at the same time.
I was bought up by my parents to be kind by nature and generous in spirit and action but times like these definitely show people at their worst sometimes.
My wife's grandfather knew one of the characters from Schindlers list whom he met after the war when he was stationed in Europe and he came to be quite fond of this man, the guy Schindler deals with on the black market after meeting him inside that church.
He was a very self serving man and survival was first and foremost on his mind .
I am not saying these times are close to that period or even nearly as horrendous but it underscores the human psyche and all of our natures.
Expect some to be among the worse and some to be among the best.
For me its important to look out for your family and friends and yourself as much as possible but dont trample over someone else in the process and absolutely attempt to assist others around you whenever you can if for no other reason than because you can (or if youre inclined in believing in karma -remember it's a bit*h)
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