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Is this a particularly good grill? I want a grill but I'd love something I wont have to replace for at least another 5 years. My research so far have pointed me towards Weber. Just wondering how well this is rated.
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Has anyone got experience with this model? It seems like a low end model from a highend manufacturer, is it any good as a long term investment?
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Has anyone got experience with this model? It seems like a low end model from a highend manufacturer, is it any good as a long term investment?
304 burners and 430 stainless doors,etc. typical these days, you can't get a real high quality stainless for under several grand these days and weber stopped with the higher quality stainless exteriors around 2007. I think the cookboxes are still porcelain though.

Thing to look for is the inside if it's porcelain or not, and if the cookbox has a removable bottom tray for cleaning (not just a drip pain) I watched the youtube video on it...problem i see stainless interior no porcelain and it's surely 430 stainless so it will become a rust bucket after a few years unless you really keep it super clean. Looks like it's really good burner, rotesseries, infrared, etc features a bump above nextgrill probably in grilling consistency,etc but typical exterior for sure at this price.

Wish they would all ditch the stainless exterior trend as that's the reason all the grills are crappy now. You can't make a quality exterior for these prices these days in stainless. Rather have the money in the cookboxes not the looks. But consumers like shiny, not good.

Older webers with porcelain still go strong with slight refurb after few years (but the frames can still degrade but easy to refresh) and the good stainless one's haven't been made since 07, i have the last year for that, 13 years old, i just ordered burners and igniters (but igniters have been iffy for a while). Use it 6 days out of the week. Stainless is perfect, zero rust on it and all i do is wax it once a year and haven't waxed it for several. The painted/or steel frame shows some wear, bit of rust here and there but should get many more years out of it after a slight refresh.

That said you can make any of these grills last a good while, but to do that some are going to be more maintenance than others, this grill will last awhile but you're going to have to really maintain it, you can't just let grease sit in the trays ,etc for weeks , months,etc, it will turn into a rust bucket ...but long term, i don't see it. need porcelain enamel or aluminum cookbox or 304$$$ box for that.

I haven't grilled shopped in awhile obviously but i'd be looking at the genesis 2 myself, but i have no idea what brands and quality is out there now, but at a glance, no low grade stainless just for looks, and last i looked in store (at glance) had porcelain cook box, removable bottom tray for cleaning, and usual aluminum,porcelain hood, nice meaty grill surface, and should cook evenly. The frame will be weak point there, but should last a good long while with minimum maintenance and just keep spraywax or wax on it every so often. Weber is still good with parts long term too.

anyways just my .02 at a glance, i haven't looked at grills in awhile
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304 burners and 430 stainless doors,etc. typical these days, you can't get a real high quality stainless for under several grand these days and weber stopped with the higher quality stainless exteriors around 2007. I think the cookboxes are still porcelain though.

Thing to look for is the inside if it's porcelain or not, and if the cookbox has a removable bottom tray for cleaning (not just a drip pain) I watched the youtube video on it...problem i see stainless interior no porcelain and it's surely 430 stainless so it will become a rust bucket after a few years unless you really keep it super clean. Looks like it's really good burner, rotesseries, infrared, etc features a bump above nextgrill probably in grilling consistency,etc but typical exterior for sure at this price.

Wish they would all ditch the stainless exterior trend as that's the reason all the grills are crappy now. You can't make a quality exterior for these prices these days in stainless. Rather have the money in the cookboxes not the looks. But consumers like shiny, not good.

Older webers with porcelain still go strong with slight refurb after few years (but the frames can still degrade but easy to refresh) and the good stainless one's haven't been made since 07, i have the last year for that, 13 years old, i just ordered burners and igniters (but igniters have been iffy for a while). Use it 6 days out of the week. Stainless is perfect, zero rust on it and all i do is wax it once a year and haven't waxed it for several. The painted/or steel frame shows some wear, bit of rust here and there but should get many more years out of it after a slight refresh.

That said you can make any of these grills last a good while, but to do that some are going to be more maintenance than others, this grill will last awhile but you're going to have to really maintain it, you can't just let grease sit in the trays ,etc for weeks , months,etc, it will turn into a rust bucket ...but long term, i don't see it. need porcelain enamel or aluminum cookbox for that.

I haven't grilled shopped in awhile obviously but i'd be looking at the genesis 2 myself, but i have no idea what brands and quality is out there now, but at a glance, no low grade stainless just for looks, and last i looked in store (at glance) had porcelain cook box, removable bottom tray for cleaning, and usual aluminum,porcelain hood, nice meaty grill surface, and should cook evenly. The frame will be weak point there, but should last a good long while with minimum maintenance and just keep spraywax or wax on it every so often. Weber is still good with parts long term too.

anyways just my .02 at a glance, i haven't looked at grills in awhile
Thank you so much for the detailed reply, I agree that it's about the time for manufacturers aim for longevity not for looks only, but that also defies the whole goal of consumerism.
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Thank you so much for the detailed reply, I agree that it's about the time for manufacturers aim for longevity not for looks only, but that also defies the whole goal of consumerism.
Yep and the market moves off sales not longevity i guess. I'm curious about grills out there though and options, i really don't know the brands so ymmv, i thought about looking other day (my burners are getting pretty clogged so not evenly cooking and cold spots) but went ahead and ordered parts since ithe stainless is all good on mine, i bought my summit used a long time ago probably 10+ years (300 bucks too!) but you do need some motivation in clean up but not too difficult , green scrub pads, flap disk on angle grinder for grates, electric polisher + polish for the stainless, some really high grit paper to help clean up the porcelain + simply green,etc, lot of detail work and elbow grease. Only worth the cleanup effort though if you know it's decently made and not going to be replacing cookboxes and such.

My previous grill was old 3 burner genesis (not enough btu for sure), what i notice last on them long term is the porcelain lids and or cook boxes, or aluminum cookboxes and removable bottom drip tray for cleanup is a must for longevity, you gotta remove that and really regularly clean it to last long term. That's why i mentioned the genesis II as at a glance it looked to be built that way. Otherwise it needs to be 304 stainless to last. Frames are just gonna require some touch up or strip and paint after 10-15 years.

I just notice it because sometimes i stop and look at the nextgrill,etc ones left on the streets around here just to see, they always look fancy on the outside like you could clean them up with just surface rust , but when i look inside the low grade stainless inside on all of them are always total rust buckets. Only part that rusted on mine besides burners, and usual tube frame stuff which requires some cleanup, is the burner holders which is just 2 screws to replace each and cheap part.

Though if you buy em cheap enough and toss them every few years it probably doesn't add up all too differently, this one i'd say probably has a good burner system, and those infrared,etc options and napolean name so I'd guess it's above nextgrill etc probably in terms of features and even repeatable cooking performance would be my guess. Regularly clean it and for sure keep it under covered patio you roll out or if you get a cover get a breatable kind (not the vinyl that will trap moisture) then just really keep up on cleaning the cooking area (easier said than done when busy that's for sure).





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Is this a particularly good grill? I want a grill but I'd love something I wont have to replace for at least another 5 years. My research so far have pointed me towards Weber. Just wondering how well this is rated.
My thoughts - bought this recently for 750 from a local retailer. Prior grill was Weber Spirit - this is a far superior unit. Heats up faster - has stainless grill grates on main burner vs porcelain on Weber , and the side burner (which is still porcelain on this model vs none on the Weber spirit) - gets very very hot. Mfg claims 1000deg f- I've not measured but certainly hot enough to sear steaks easily and quickly.
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the weber spirit line is a basic grill, probably 24-32k btu max and 3 burners, no searers or things like that it's the lowest weber line anyways they've taken a hit and largely moved to china , genesis was china but i think assemled here, summit may be here though still but megabucks, all that seemed to be changing to the usual location. last i called for a part though customer service was us based and super helpful.

So it comes down to really looks, cookbox construction, btus, % of burners and performance (i imagine all use 304 burners), and features and what you cook, warranty handling.

so my .02 contrary observations you notice on over time... my opinion on these type grills has been changing a good bit over the years.

I've used the infrared burner and rotisserie on my summit like 10 times , the smoker box, nothing special smoke bomb would work as well, external smoker much better and what i have now. Side burner does come in handy sometimes...but i have an induction stove...i'd be tempted to toss that for a side table and an induction cookplate as it's as good as natural gas and those side burners seem slow. Searing, btus, yeah important.

Just depends on how and what you cook...i could easily replace this with a genesis II for my needs and from what i see it's better built than the stainless grills but it's going to lack the shiny boxes, infrared, searer or whatever features...iirc it's 48k btw or so, some of these grill go up to much higher searing is what i'd be looking at. But at the same time painted frames on any will tend to get some rust here and there after number of years.

On the frame enclosures...they look good if you regularly clean the exteriors..one more chore...i only see ones that look good in magazines or when someone cleans them before company =) But not a fan of changing my tank in them wouldn't be so bad with a hard line but I've come to 1/2 the time leave my tank outside since we use it so often...that's another reason that genesis II retro open design i like. But you either clean it or its as messy as open frame. I pretty much dig through pile of crap there =)

stainless 430 is fine on exteriors, use some barkeeps it will last a long time, put a bit of wax on it every once in awhile.

Anything left out in the rain it's just gonna be a YMMV unless it's 304. breathable cover is best bet there (i forget one i got but it's like sunbrella material but may not hold up in certain freezing states)...i made a base and put larger casters on mine so i could wheel it out from covered patio easier.

I suspect there are some well built grills out there without all the eye or extra features, high btus, searing, just haven't looked.
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Just on a whim i checked specs of bbq guys, keep in mind i haven't checked grills for many years and it's a quick check, i'd probably be looking at something along the lines coyote or sabre, 304 stainless cookboxes from what i see 40k or so btu's should heat up decently, some of the burners setups seem to allow for indirect even though they're not 4,6, 30 burners. There's recommendations out there for btu's / sq inch, 24000 not sure seems rather low on one but maybe it's ok due to 32". Most of the time on my summit i don't have more than 3 burners lit anyways to tell the truth unless i'm doing steaks then i lite em all get to 550, then turn off some. I'd throw in an induction hot plate on the side,and have a smoker somewhere else on the patio.smoke bombs for the grill, sear on the induction hot plate, toss it on the grill (not really sure if wattage of hotplate would allow that but surely it would?)

you're still looking at 13-1500ish there but you really gotta pay attention to the cookboxes for longevity. Now if just want heat, cook for 10 people in one shot...get all the features and toss em every few years. The difference i notice is this, take for example mine, the 304 stainless i'm in a coastal high humidity environment, it's 13 years old and fine i do generally maintain it but not as much as used to i may go many months before cleaning the tray. The large cleaning tray underneath with all the grease, acidity,etc that tray will clean up like new next time i clean it. 430 just isn't going to do that unless you really maintain it every time you cook or so.

Also on these things you're corrosion comes where there's lots of framing, etc mosture sits in those gaps (keep em out of the rain will go a helluva long way to longevity), you'd have to have welded surfaces to prevent that. Open frames better i think there.

So if you get the 430's and dont clean it how many years it last will be a YMMV and how much increased upkeep you do. Toss it outside in the rain, never clean the cookboxes not gonna last more than few years. Do lots of upkeep, it will last as long longer. Spend 2x and maintain less...it will last 3,4,etc times longer but more money, less features,etc.

​Or find a cheap grill that just cooks well, induction, smoke bombs, smoker elsewhere, toss it every couple years......just something to think about.





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Just on a whim i checked specs of bbq guys, keep in mind i haven't checked grills for many years and it's a quick check, i'd probably be looking at something along the lines coyote or sabre, 304 stainless cookboxes from what i see 40k or so btu's should heat up decently, some of the burners setups seem to allow for indirect even though they're not 4,6, 30 burners. There's recommendations out there for btu's / sq inch, 24000 not sure seems rather low on one but maybe it's ok due to 32". Most of the time on my summit i don't have more than 3 burners lit anyways to tell the truth unless i'm doing steaks then i lite em all get to 550, then turn off some. I'd throw in an induction hot plate on the side,and have a smoker somewhere else on the patio.smoke bombs for the grill, sear on the induction hot plate, toss it on the grill (not really sure if wattage of hotplate would allow that but surely it would?)

you're still looking at 13-1500ish there but you really gotta pay attention to the cookboxes for longevity. Now if just want heat, cook for 10 people in one shot...get all the features and toss em every few years. The difference i notice is this, take for example mine, the 304 stainless i'm in a coastal high humidity environment, it's 13 years old and fine i do generally maintain it but not as much as used to i may go many months before cleaning the tray. The large cleaning tray underneath with all the grease, acidity,etc that tray will clean up like new next time i clean it. 430 just isn't going to do that unless you really maintain it every time you cook or so.

Also on these things you're corrosion comes where there's lots of framing, etc mosture sits in those gaps (keep em out of the rain will go a helluva long way to longevity), you'd have to have welded surfaces to prevent that. Open frames better i think there.

So if you get the 430's and dont clean it how many years it last will be a YMMV and how much increased upkeep you do. Toss it outside in the rain, never clean the cookboxes not gonna last more than few years. Do lots of upkeep, it will last as long longer. Spend 2x and maintain less...it will last 3,4,etc times longer but more money, less features,etc.

​Or find a cheap grill that just cooks well, induction, smoke bombs, smoker elsewhere, toss it every couple years......just something to think about.
just tired of cheap grills with cast iron grates, there is almost no way to keep them rust free my best was 2 year rust free with rigorous cleaning, then gave up.I wouldn't mind saving time from cleaning process and toss away cheap grill every 2-3 years but grates should at least be rust free. If anybody here could suggest a cheap grill with stainless grates that would help a lot! If I'd buy this grill I would at least expect 7-10 years of use out of it but I am also aware that it will cost me a lot of time to keep it clean and at top shape.
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just tired of cheap grills with cast iron grates, there is almost no way to keep them rust free my best was 2 year rust free with rigorous cleaning, then gave up.I wouldn't mind saving time from cleaning process and toss away cheap grill every 2-3 years but grates should at least be rust free. If anybody here could suggest a cheap grill with stainless grates that would help a lot! If I'd buy this grill I would at least expect 7-10 years of use out of it but I am also aware that it will cost me a lot of time to keep it clean and at top shape.
For stainless grates look on ebay for us fabricators, and check progrates.com they have them for just about any size. For example when i replaced my flavorizer bars i bought off ebay from a fabricator selling them, they were cheaper than webers but were 304 stainless and thicker gauge.

Yeah i like the weight and cooking of cast iron but really gotta keep em seasoned top to bottom, it's defiantly a maintenance item otherwise 100 bucks every few years or grill on the rust. Stainless 304 grates should last you a long long time (mine are original from 07) i've removed them twice and used a low abrasive flap disk on drill or angle grinder to clean them up. No idea on cost...that 304 stuff is expensive but with grates you pretty much need that or replace every few years or more maintenance.

But yeah that's an idea too, ok grill with decent heat, upgrade the grates, some independent side burner induction, smoker on the patio, aside from an infrared burner not sure what would be missing from a setup like that.



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Noticed napolean has some cast aluminum cookboxes in roque xt. If you want a long term lasting grill those cookboxes should last forever and be low maintenance except for drip tray, more like the old weber, not sure of drip tray can't tell but looks porcelain so should be fine. it's why they have 15 year warrenty looks like on the box. People still buy and restore old weber gasses before the cookboxes last forever. But it aint gonna be stainless pretty but your not going to have to spend 1500-2k to get low maintance either. But it's not going to be 300 bucks either.

Looks like 4 12000 btu burners. replace grates in few years with stainless, replace flavorizer bars. I doubt that grill be will be on curb so soon and really cast aluminum firebox you can abuse heck out of it (depending on drip tray that may be maintenance item in 5 or so years), porcelain lids will be fine. That will be a 10 year grill, refresh at 10 and you'll get long life out of it i think. Btu's seem decent really, my old weber was 3 burner around 26k btu not speed deamon to heat up and maintain heat at high temps for darn sure (especially propane in winter)...gotta keep the burners clean. This would do pretty good for sure being 4 burner. Has infrared side burner. Might check around for reviews.

All frames unless 304 are gonna have issues after 10 years depending on care you gotta address, sand paint,etc regular touchup helps a lot!

that will be a workhorse grill, not pretty, good specs, replace few things in 5 -7 years toss in smoker bombs, patio smoker, it will last good long time with less cleaning maintance aside from exterior is my *guess*. It's a compromise. Long life + low maintance = $$$$, this you get long life, presumably low maintenance but not as many features. Not knocking this OP grill it's got a lot of features for the money with probably very good cooking, but it's a 430 stainless grill and cookbox that requires lots maintenance to make it last.

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Price is too high for this grill.
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