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25ft tapes are $4 at harbor freight.
Go buy your chinese one time use tape measure and leave the Fat Max for us pros

BTW - Home Depot has a B1G1F - two pack of these for $19.88 in their recent ad.
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25ft tapes are $4 at harbor freight.
Lol, trash Chinese tapes...nah. They won't last and you will end up buying them again.
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Go buy your chinese one time use tape measure and leave the Fat Max for us pros

BTW - Home Depot has a B1G1F - two pack of these for $19.88 in their recent ad.
Cheap tools are cheap. Country of origin means little, especially these days that pretty much EVERYTHING is made in China, and "Made in the USA" is not exactly a guarantee of anything. Things are judged in a case by case basis and a Chinese tape measure aimed for that MSRP could be better.

Plus, the specific tape measure is "Made in USA with Global Materials" loophole, which means that ~50% of it could be Chinese anyways...perhaps the parts that matter the most?

This doesn't mean it is not better than the $4 from HFT (an American company), but it is not the country of origin that makes it better.

Shop locally made sh!t, I am 100% for that. But say "I'd rather support local manufacturing", w/o extending it to a quality promise.
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I recently bought one of these for full price at Ace and IMHO, it's worth the price for the quality. One thing you'll find with cheap tape measures is poor reach, or how far you can extend unsupported before flopping. This one extends a good ways. It feel very robust, but only time will tell.
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Cheap tools are cheap. Country of origin means little, especially these days that pretty much EVERYTHING is made in China, and "Made in the USA" is not exactly a guarantee of anything. Things are judged in a case by case basis and a Chinese tape measure aimed for that MSRP could be better.

Plus, the specific tape measure is "Made in USA with Global Materials" loophole, which means that ~50% of it could be Chinese anyways...perhaps the parts that matter the most?

This doesn't mean it is not better than the $4 from HFT (an American company), but it is not the country of origin that makes it better.

Shop locally made sh!t, I am 100% for that. But say "I'd rather support local manufacturing", w/o extending it to a quality promise.
Use a harbor freight tape i have some they are trash...the fatmax is waaaaayyyy better try one
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Lol, trash Chinese tapes...nah. They won't last and you will end up buying them again.
It depends on quality. Some American made products are poor quality as well. If you want quality expect to pay higher price. It goes same way for both Chinese or American made goods. High quality higher price.
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Cheap tools are cheap. Country of origin means little, especially these days that pretty much EVERYTHING is made in China, and "Made in the USA" is not exactly a guarantee of anything. Things are judged in a case by case basis and a Chinese tape measure aimed for that MSRP could be better.

Plus, the specific tape measure is "Made in USA with Global Materials" loophole, which means that ~50% of it could be Chinese anyways...perhaps the parts that matter the most?

This doesn't mean it is not better than the $4 from HFT (an American company), but it is not the country of origin that makes it better.

Shop locally made sh!t, I am 100% for that. But say "I'd rather support local manufacturing", w/o extending it to a quality promise.
I work in Workforce and Economic Development and have a slightly different perspective. I've attended advanced manufacturing conferences and listened to "reshoring" experts who are bringing some products back to the States from overseas for a multitude of reasons, one of which was quality perception. Another are taking advantage of the loopholes you describe plus other economic advantages. That being said, it is absolutely unquestionable that this type of job creation is creating better paying jobs than more retail. This is backed up all over the internet from multiple sources, but if that isn't enough, I can always create a custom economic modeling report for you based on any region, county or state of your choosing within the United States.

Applying the reverse of your logic, although harder for me to prove, I'd wager that country of origin of an employer has no bearing on a employee's wages, benefits, retirement, and non-cash compensation. I would professionally guess that it it far more likely that, a US-owned company (such as Harbor Freight) that sells imported tools and accessories is creating mostly low-growth, low-wage retail jobs. I would imagine that an advanced manufacturing plant located within the United States, even using the loopholes you describe, are still in a statically productive high-growth, high-wage sector of the economy creating or supporting rarefied jobs that we need, especially now, as we strategize economic recovery from the massive COVID-19 worker displacement, furloughs, and layoffs.

To sum up, don't toss around BS about job creation, economics, or anything else to justify the purpose of buying a crappy tool. If that's what you want, do it. And let others decide what they want. Maybe they prefer to support the men and women who work in advanced manufacturing instead. Maybe now is the time, if there ever was one, in US history, where we should really consider buying American made.
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25ft tapes are $4 at harbor freight.
They are free with coupon usually. I have like 20 of them. They are not comparable to the fatmax tapes at all.
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I go through 3-4 of these a year working in all weather conditions in the PNW. Lots of rain and mud. There's better out there, but for the price, reach, and readability, you absolutely cannot top the fatmax. I prefer the non-magnetic.
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I work in Workforce and Economic Development and have a slightly different perspective. I've attended advanced manufacturing conferences and listened to "reshoring" experts who are bringing some products back to the States from overseas for a multitude of reasons, one of which was quality perception. Another are taking advantage of the loopholes you describe plus other economic advantages. That being said, it is absolutely unquestionable that this type of job creation is creating better paying jobs than more retail. This is backed up all over the internet from multiple sources, but if that isn't enough, I can always create a custom economic modeling report for you based on any region, county or state of your choosing within the United States.

Applying the reverse of your logic, although harder for me to prove, I'd wager that country of origin of an employer has no bearing on a employee's wages, benefits, retirement, and non-cash compensation. I would professionally guess that it it far more likely that, a US-owned company (such as Harbor Freight) that sells imported tools and accessories is creating mostly low-growth, low-wage retail jobs. I would imagine that an advanced manufacturing plant located within the United States, even using the loopholes you describe, are still in a statically productive high-growth, high-wage sector of the economy creating or supporting rarefied jobs that we need, especially now, as we strategize economic recovery from the massive COVID-19 worker displacement, furloughs, and layoffs.

To sum up, don't toss around BS about job creation, economics, or anything else to justify the purpose of buying a crappy tool. If that's what you want, do it. And let others decide what they want. Maybe they prefer to support the men and women who work in advanced manufacturing instead. Maybe now is the time, if there ever was one, in US history, where we should really consider buying American made.
I don't see anything of what you attribute to me saying in my writing my friend. Job creation? Did I say that? What is next? Did you read trickle-down economics between my lines?

Because I mentioned that HFT is also US company? Many of the companies that make cheap sh!t in China are of "US interests". Fat-cat interests, they just went there because of cheap labor and "loose" regulations. Because they hate regulations that might cost them a dime. All they care for is dimes: screw environment, screw neighbors and SCREW employees that are well paid.

I am not trying to justify cheap sh!t, or Chinese sh!t, I am just saying that something made in the US - unfortunately - doesn't bear much weight as far as quality goes. All I said was about quality, real, perceived, w/e. And you can find Chinese products that are excellent. They were built to a different MSRP, that is all - and this is what I've written.

That the manufacture will have more than just minimum wage or thereabouts jobs, could of course be a "thing", but often manufacturing plants happen in the "cheapest" of locations. The lowest-in-the-barrel retail job in California might have better pay and better "everything" than the equivalent manufacturing job in Connecticut - where Stanley reportedly makes its tape measures. Does that mean we would rather not have low-wage manufacturing jobs in Connecticut? No, nothing I've said applied to that.

All I am saying is, that unappreciated, unskilled minimum wage guy/gal in Connecticut, doesn't really have and incentive to take more pride into and make a "better" product than the equivalent Chinese guy/gal. Products are engineered to the minimum cost of materials and/or labor in every case. It is a race to the bottom which we have reached already and instead of trying to reverse our course, we are digging in, to protect the fat-cats that did the whole "re-shoring" thing, and rigged the system and laws just to be allowed to milk as much $ as they could out of their brands, at any cost to the real stakeholders.

It is the employers that need to take pride in making GOOD PRODUCTS and not PROFIT that need to change. The latter simply is in competition with taking good care of the people that work for you, this is why most manufacturing jobs created/remaining are not really something to be proud of, not something to fight for. Who in the US keeping a manufacturing job is guaranteed to do better than the previous generations did? China has a middle class that grows, in the US it has been shrinking since the 80s.

I want people to make stuff here, but more importantly, I want them incentivized to rise to the occasion. I want them to be properly paid. To have job security, to be "better" than a Chinese sweatshop in everything. But is it?I strongly doubt it.

I don't care to get a tape measure that is $10 or even $30 if I need one. Fortunately, I have the income to support it.

But I want the "locals" to look up to Today's Germany, Japan or - why not - the US industry of the past, and compete on the way UP, not to race to the bottom. And trust me, once we have people that make more than $8-10/hr, they will gravitate buying something better than $4 of a tape measure. They Might even afford to buy what I am making and sustains my 6-figure salary. I mean, this is what I really want: for them to have REAL options.
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Moderator Reminder: Please stay on topic of this Stanley tape measure at Ace Hardware.

Discussion related to China vs. USA made products can be taken to the Podium forum. Thanks.
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Yes it's too nice of a day to debate stupid stuff, go out enjoy your life. If you line the deal buy it if you don't than pass and move along. Toooooo much debate in this world
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