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Yup, totally. I have full frame and APS-C cameras and lenses, and you just cannot drag those things around all day every day. Serious glass on those larger sensors are all crazy big and heavy.

Pics from my smartphone are cute, but image quality and noise is a total joke. I can print 4x6, but anything larger is embarrassing.

When I want to travel light, I use my Sony RX-100. Ten times better than a smartphone.

However, I would love to get a larger sensor camera with compact footprint, and I wouldn't hesitate to look into m4/3. Sure, there are some compact ASP-C bodies, but to maintain small size but still create a large enough image circle, lens compromises must be made (lower quality lens or very slow glass). M4/3 might be a sweet spot for some.
it'll stay alive for awhile.
panasonic will keep it going. they got it right by concentrating on video.
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Olympus is getting out of its 84-year-old camera business. Don't expect any further firmware, lens, and other kinds of stuff. That's the one of reasons for the huge discount.(Thanks point out this price happened past)
I've had a canon for 10 years never once did I do a firmware update...lens...please, company don't come out with lens every year. Plus there's plenty of 3/4 lens manufacturers...better lens maker than Olympus as well as adapters to use full frame lens. You're acting like this is a smart phone that's constantly being attack by hackers and interacting will millions of software....
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Hmm got a full frame Canon and a full frame Sony, yeah not a photographer, and Olympus is done in case you didn't get the memo. 😂
Ok Mr. photographer, if canon left the camera biz and the newest 5d is $500 would you run away? How many times have you needed canon support? Unless you're a professional that don't treat your camera like a baby you'll only go to them to calibrate and repair...
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I hate the snobbery in the photography community. So many "pros" that think if you're not buying/shooting FF then you're doing it wrong or you won't get good photos. Most of these fools like to share specs on all their gear instead of taking and sharing photos.
It is so silly. My dad spent his entire career as a professional photographer and basically didn't touch his pro-level gear when not working. He had stacks of canon L glass and full frame bodies, but they stayed at work.

When he travels, goes to family events, or does anything where he might want to take photos, he always had a high-end point and shoot and that was plenty. Sure, he was into photography, so sometimes he would bring stuff on certain trips just for fun (like a Rolleiflex TLR, or an old fully manual Olympus SLR when the world had already gone digital), but mostly it was a point and shoot, because that's what fits in your pocket, doesn't ruffle people's feathers, and is always available to shoot. Especially with how good cameras are today, being a good photographer is more important than having the "best" gear.

In the film days that was usually something like a Yashica T4 with Zeiss lens (now a cult classic that goes for $500+ on ebay), or a Contax TVS with a Zeiss zoom. In the digital age there was a series of cameras like the Canon G-series and later S90/S95.

Now it is either a Sony RX100 or an iPhone.

If you aren't shooting sports (like real sports, not your kid's t-ball game), printing huge prints, or delivering digital files to people who are making billboards and in-store displays, stuff at the level of a sony A7 or a canon 5d is just absurd overkill.

Nothing wrong with just geeking out over the hardware (which is partly why I own a m4/3 system and some "pro" glass despite mostly using my phone unless I am going somewhere where I want a long lens), but lets be honest that it isn't about taking better pictures. It is about the technical aspect of photography as a hobby.
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It was a PE acquisition for Olympus camera, so it's not dead, at least not functionally so for another few years. This type of transfer of ownership will pick up IP, any R&D in flight and usually have operational guarantees baked in the agreement such that the go to market value won't be harmed in the short term.

The camera market has been in decline for so long that we're likely going to see brand consolidation as well as cross-industry strategic partnerships form. It will be scary and possibly lousy for some users in the short term, but I think we'll see positive changes in the future. The fundamental value of interchangeable lenses, larger sensors, continuous autofocus, optical stabilization, supertelephoto lenses and other such features hasn't disappeared, but there has been a serious lack of innovation in the user experience to help these companies stay abreast of how the market has shifted.

Imagine if Apple or Google acquired a weakened camera company and overhauled the bodies to incorporate an auto-mode that's machine learning optimized based on focus peaking (what you shoot) that dynamically changes your settings based on sensor inputs, has robust noise reduction (again, a great machine learning candidate), seamless cloud connectivity to ease file management and whatever else that would helps make the market more accessible to new shooters. The landscape could look very, very different. Cell phone cameras took away the bottom end of the market, but at the same time, social media has also increased demand for content and the need for differentiation and quality.
These are great points. I have also been thinking that the digital camera industry should have much better integration with cell phones. A $200 cell phone nowadays can overpower the processing and user interface of existing cameras. This is also the hope that the Olympus sale will eventually lead to better cross-industry technology improvements

For the future of MFT, I am seeing a trend of new players coming into this platform that will significantly cut down the cost of ownership. Manual lenses made by urlhasbeenblocked, 7Artisan etc are of good (although not superb yet) quality, and Yongnuo is starting to make autofocus lenses for MFT. The approach taken by Yi is also interesting, with its M1 camera creates a model of a good quality inexpensive MFT camera that lowers the entry point for owning both camera and good quality kit lenses (again, not yet superb). Five years ago, these companies were not of its current status in the camera business, ad I am hopeful that in 5 more years, these manufacturer will mature enough to produce some superb products while keeping the cost down.
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Yup, totally. I have full frame and APS-C cameras and lenses, and you just cannot drag those things around all day every day. Serious glass on those larger sensors are all crazy big and heavy.

Pics from my smartphone are cute, but image quality and noise is a total joke. I can print 4x6, but anything larger is embarrassing.

When I want to travel light, I use my Sony RX-100. Ten times better than a smartphone.

However, I would love to get a larger sensor camera with compact footprint, and I wouldn't hesitate to look into m4/3. Sure, there are some compact ASP-C bodies, but to maintain small size but still create a large enough image circle, lens compromises must be made (lower quality lens or very slow glass). M4/3 might be a sweet spot for some.
you cannot actually quantify that 10 times clam, especially the noise department.
RX100 has a one inch sensor with crop factor of 2.7
smart phone has 1/2.5 inch sensor with crop factor of 5.7
so the difference is really about 2, which is about a jump from MFT to FF.
both rx100 and iphone starts with f1.8 for their main camera.

which means your ISO performance is at best 4 times better.

camera capability is of course a different story. you cannot get as shallow depth of field on a smaller sensor than a larger sensor unless you double or quadruple your aperture, but that's not better or worse. similarly, iPhone can only do 52mm equivalent filed of view whereas RX100 can do 100mm equivalent field of view, but again, that got nothing to do with ISO performance.
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Honestly, the companies have allowed themselves to be misled by the toxic "prosumer" market because the margins are higher on vanity gear and neglected nurturing the bottom end of the market so they'd become future hobbyists.

It blows my mind how out of touch the camera brands are by still offering feature gated entry level camera bodies with mediocre kit lenses. Of course a beginner that's been spoiled by their $1000 cell phone is going to be disappointed by the user experience of a clumsy camera with an f/3.5 standard zoom. Remember shooting with an early Canon Rebel? Solid IQ then for sure, but what a usability nightmare. It's just such an obvious mistake and they're just carrying on, so let the market implode so we can enjoy transformative change after the old guard are flushed out.

Let's make cameras easier to use for those who don't yet understand the exposure triangle and include a nifty fifty (hell, maybe a portrait lens instead) and a telephoto zoom in every kit. Differentiate by focusing on what cell phones can't do.
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What are some good digital cameras for under $500, for beginners? My younger brother needs one for traveling purposes. Something that functions better than the latest phone cams.
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What are some good digital cameras for under $500, for beginners? My younger brother needs one for traveling purposes. Something that functions better than the latest phone cams.
What would he like to shoot?
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How come nobody cares about portability? I don't want a bigger camera/lens than m43, it's eons superior to the best of cellphone camera and it's still lightweight and semi portable. I don't want a big heavy full frame camera, I wan't the smallest thing possible with a big sensor.
It's because if you really want portable, small cameras like the RIcoh GR3/Fuji X100 series already have a bigger sensor than the micro-4/3rds if you don't need zoom. If you do need zoom, the small compacts like the Sony RX100 series will give you the zoom, and their sensors aren't that much smaller than the micro-4/3rds. Definitely not enough to justify a whole different system with interchangeable lenses.
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Imagine if Apple or Google acquired a weakened camera company and overhauled the bodies to incorporate an auto-mode that's machine learning optimized based on focus peaking (what you shoot) that dynamically changes your settings based on sensor inputs, has robust noise reduction (again, a great machine learning candidate), seamless cloud connectivity to ease file management and whatever else that would helps make the market more accessible to new shooters. The landscape could look very, very different. Cell phone cameras took away the bottom end of the market, but at the same time, social media has also increased demand for content and the need for differentiation and quality.
The reason that hasn't happened yet is that the fast processors on the phones (way faster than any camera bodies processors) are already working flat out with hand-optimized code in order to do their magic on puny 12MP images. Dump a 26MP image on those processors and they won't be able to do their magic, let alone on the tiny batteries that goes. into most camera bodies. Google has stuck with pretty much the same sensor from Sony for all their phones indicating that it's pretty tough to port their algorithms to different sensors for the same performance.
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What are some good digital cameras for under $500, for beginners? My younger brother needs one for traveling purposes. Something that functions better than the latest phone cams.
The one in this thread is a good deal for that. It doesn't have 4k video, but you will not find a camera new in the compact (crop/MFT) segment for this $300 mark, most are floating around the $500 (sony, gx80/85 etc).
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The reason that hasn't happened yet is that the fast processors on the phones (way faster than any camera bodies processors) are already working flat out with hand-optimized code in order to do their magic on puny 12MP images. Dump a 26MP image on those processors and they won't be able to do their magic, let alone on the tiny batteries that goes. into most camera bodies. Google has stuck with pretty much the same sensor from Sony for all their phones indicating that it's pretty tough to port their algorithms to different sensors for the same performance.
Computing innovation will continue to outpace optical element design so we'll get there. Smilie
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Looking to start a YouTube channel for a comic/statue collector from a father/son (14 year) approach. Any suggestions with a beginer camera with decent video? Just want better visual content than what my phone can provide. Thanks in advance if anyone can help.
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Honestly, the companies have allowed themselves to be misled by the toxic "prosumer" market because the margins are higher on vanity gear and neglected nurturing the bottom end of the market so they'd become future hobbyists.

It blows my mind how out of touch the camera brands are by still offering feature gated entry level camera bodies with mediocre kit lenses. Of course a beginner that's been spoiled by their $1000 cell phone is going to be disappointed by the user experience of a clumsy camera with an f/3.5 standard zoom. Remember shooting with an early Canon Rebel? Solid IQ then for sure, but what a usability nightmare. It's just such an obvious mistake and they're just carrying on, so let the market implode so we can enjoy transformative change after the old guard are flushed out.

Let's make cameras easier to use for those who don't yet understand the exposure triangle and include a nifty fifty (hell, maybe a portrait lens instead) and a telephoto zoom in every kit. Differentiate by focusing on what cell phones can't do.
Nifty Fifty is good but most consumer will say "this doesn't zoom? no thanks"
that will place it on the same catagory as a cell phone.
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