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Some Lowes locations have the Weber SmokeFire EX6 36" pellet grill on clearance at $1019, which is 15% off. Perhaps not a Hot Deal, but a decent discount for anyone in the market for this new model from Weber.

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Need to wait another 2 months....this isn't ripe for picking yet
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$1K not good.
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If you are going to spend $1000+ do yourself a favor and check out the Recteq RT-700 Bull at www.recteq.com. Best customer service in the industry, top of the line pellet smoker with temp range of 180-600+ degrees. PID controller with WiFi that you can control from your phone. 6 year warranty. The durability and construction of the Recteq compared to similar sized smokers from Weber, traeger, pit boss, etc are night and day.
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If you are going to spend $1000+ do yourself a favor and check out the Recteq RT-700 Bull at www.recteq.com [recteq.com]. Best customer service in the industry, top of the line pellet smoker with temp range of 180-600+ degrees. PID controller with WiFi that you can control from your phone. 6 year warranty. The durability and construction of the Recteq compared to similar sized smokers from Weber, traeger, pit boss, etc are night and day.
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No HDMI. For over $1K I want HDMI, period.
The HDMI joke horse is beaten to a bloody pulp. Have some decency.
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This thing is supposed to suck.
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"Smokefire"? who the hell named this? Is the next model "Fireburn"?
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There were several issues with this pellet grill at release. Seems like Weber's been slowly updating/fixing it but I wonder if the current inventory is already good or if they will still need the homeowner to replace parts for it to work properly.
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This thing is supposed to suck.
39% 1 star.

https://www.amazon.com/Weber-2351...geNumber=1
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There were several issues with this pellet grill at release. Seems like Weber's been slowly updating/fixing it but I wonder if the current inventory is already good or if they will still need the homeowner to replace parts for it to work properly.
I think that's the app mainly.

They may be sending out mods for the grease fires.

Update #3: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The SmokeFire has the following issues:

1. Prone to grease fires: The design of this grill allows for all grease to drip into the bottom of the smoke chamber and diverts that grease toward the center of the grill to the firebox. During a long smoke (brisket, pork shoulder) a significant amount of ash is produced; the majority of which does not go down into the ash collector drawer, but spills out around the fire box.

Once the food starts to drip grease, it coats the bottom of smoke chamber. The ash then sticks to the grease. This eventually causes a large ash-grease mud mixture to build up around the firebox and blocks the grease channels from draining properly.

The fan on this smoker/grill can blow hard at times and then blows embers out of the firebox into this grease-ash mud mixture which will almost guarantee a grease fire and in-fact did cause a grease fire at about hour 12 of smoking the brisket.

Even if there wasn't a grease fire issue, why would they design this so that the ash and grease can mix together? Other pellet grills have dedicated drip trays that collect the grease and divert it out of the smoke chamber. Weber actually directs the grease directly TOWARD the firebox which is producing all the ash.

2. Uneven heat distribution: In my EX6 the right side of the grill just to the right of the firebox and center heat deflector is MUCH hotter. This was first apparent during the seasoning process when the flavorizer bars just to the right of center deflector changed colors due to the extreme heat when the bars to the left had little heat discoloration.

Weber advertises that the grill was designed for even heat distribution; this is simply not true.

3. Bad temperature readings: I am not sure if the cause of this is a faulty OEM smoke chamber temperature probe or due to placement of the probe, but the temperature I measured independently of the Weber probe was ~30 degrees less than the temp I set the smoker to. So to achieve an internal smoke temperature of 250 I had to set the smoker to 280. The distance between my probe and the weber probe was ~3 inches.

4. The app is terrible: You can't see real time temperatures of your food. You can't see actual internal air temperature, just the temperature you set the grill to. There are no features such as temperature logging to display a graph of temperature over time. Navigating the app is clumsy. If this is user error on my part, then Weber needs to do a better job at designing the UI to get basic information you want from a smoker.

5. The way to pellet hopper and pellet level sensor is designed gives false readings. The left side of the hopper has a much steeper slope than the left. So, as the pellets are used the left side empties first while quite a bit on the right side remain high up in the hopper. After smoking for 8hrs, about half the pellets had been used. The auger was visible and the low-pellet warning went off. But, the hopper was still half full. I simply pushed the pellets from the ride side to even them out. Just seems weird this wasn't apparent during testing.

I don't know if over time that this pellet feed issue would lead to a flame out due to pellets not feeding properly, but it is most certainly possible.

Conclusion:

Fortunately all of the software issues can be improved with future updates.

Unfortunately the inherent design of this grill is flawed. Allowing all of the grease to collect at the bottom of the smoke chamber and then divert it toward the hottest and dirtiest part of the grill that is spewing embers and ash is unforgivable.

At the very least having to clean up a greasy muddy mess would be a pain. At the very worst you are going to be burning up your food when that ash-grease-mud catches fire. Weber advertised an improved ash collection design and not having to use a shop vac to remove the ash as often with competitor smokers. I don't see how this was not discovered during testing of the product.

Sorry Weber, but you dropped the ball on this product. I am sad too, because I have been waiting for it to come out since it was announced.

This was the first time I ever pre-ordered anything and it will be probably be the last.

Thank you Amazon for your support and return policy.

Update:

I've added photos of how the bottom of the smoker looked after the 12 hour brisket smoke. You can see the grease/ash mixture on the bottom of the grill. I added the foil before the smoke because it was obvious that grease was going to get everywhere and mix with the ash. What i didn't predict is just how much ash ends up inside the grill and just how little ends up in the ash tray. Probably 4:1 ratio of ash in grill to ash in the ash tray.

A photo of the hopper is included to show how the pellets do not feed evenly. I do not know if it would eventually starve the unit of fuel, but it seems highly likely judging by how visible the auger inlet is. What it definitely does is trip the low-pellet sensor, so the grill thinks it has is less pellets than it does.

I added another photo from a second cook I did that shows how the smoker spits out embers on the bottom of the grill. Unfortunately, the grates were in focus and not the bottom, but you can clearly see the embers. This occurred on a higher temperature when i was searing a Tri-Tip.

Also added a video of the grease fire that started at the very end of the cook. I initiated shutdown mode which I think is why the fan is blowing harder than normal.

Update #2:

I decided to try it again smoke two pork shoulders long and slow for 14hrs. During that smoke, it flamed out twice. The first was when a "material bridge" occurred at the entrance to the auger. Then when it was cleared it dumped ~1lb of pellets into the firebox that overflowed into the smoke chamber. I had to let the grill cool down for a good 20 minutes then took me about 10-15 minutes to clean out all the pellets. A lot of the pellets also fell into the grease at the bottom, so to prevent another grease fire I had to remove them.

The second flame out occurred due to the material not feeding down the shallow slope of the hopper. The pellets on the right side eventually get hung up and even though has a good 7-10lbs of pellets still in the hopper it flamed out again.

For the second cook I didn't line the bottom of the smoker with foil in case that was the cause of the ash clogging the drain channels, it still clogged up, but I never saw a grease fire. But embers actively fell into the bottom of the grill, so it's just a matter of time.

Everything I've tried to smoke low and slow just hasn't worked out (brisket and pork shoulder). Everything I have grilled at high heat has turned out great (tri-tip and burgers)

Update #3:
I returned the grill 3 months ago but I never deleted the app. To my surprise, I started getting updates on my app that the grill was operating. So I'm assuming someone purchased the grill I returned and my app is still linked to the controller. This means I can adjust their temperatures or shut down the grill whenever they are using it. I have no idea who owns it or where they are in the country. Seems like a huge security flaw for Weber.
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I think that's the app mainly.

They may be sending out mods for the grease fires.

Update #3: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The SmokeFire has the following issues:

1. Prone to grease fires: The design of this grill allows for all grease to drip into the bottom of the smoke chamber and diverts that grease toward the center of the grill to the firebox. During a long smoke (brisket, pork shoulder) a significant amount of ash is produced; the majority of which does not go down into the ash collector drawer, but spills out around the fire box.

Once the food starts to drip grease, it coats the bottom of smoke chamber. The ash then sticks to the grease. This eventually causes a large ash-grease mud mixture to build up around the firebox and blocks the grease channels from draining properly.

The fan on this smoker/grill can blow hard at times and then blows embers out of the firebox into this grease-ash mud mixture which will almost guarantee a grease fire and in-fact did cause a grease fire at about hour 12 of smoking the brisket.

Even if there wasn't a grease fire issue, why would they design this so that the ash and grease can mix together? Other pellet grills have dedicated drip trays that collect the grease and divert it out of the smoke chamber. Weber actually directs the grease directly TOWARD the firebox which is producing all the ash.

2. Uneven heat distribution: In my EX6 the right side of the grill just to the right of the firebox and center heat deflector is MUCH hotter. This was first apparent during the seasoning process when the flavorizer bars just to the right of center deflector changed colors due to the extreme heat when the bars to the left had little heat discoloration.

Weber advertises that the grill was designed for even heat distribution; this is simply not true.

3. Bad temperature readings: I am not sure if the cause of this is a faulty OEM smoke chamber temperature probe or due to placement of the probe, but the temperature I measured independently of the Weber probe was ~30 degrees less than the temp I set the smoker to. So to achieve an internal smoke temperature of 250 I had to set the smoker to 280. The distance between my probe and the weber probe was ~3 inches.

4. The app is terrible: You can't see real time temperatures of your food. You can't see actual internal air temperature, just the temperature you set the grill to. There are no features such as temperature logging to display a graph of temperature over time. Navigating the app is clumsy. If this is user error on my part, then Weber needs to do a better job at designing the UI to get basic information you want from a smoker.

5. The way to pellet hopper and pellet level sensor is designed gives false readings. The left side of the hopper has a much steeper slope than the left. So, as the pellets are used the left side empties first while quite a bit on the right side remain high up in the hopper. After smoking for 8hrs, about half the pellets had been used. The auger was visible and the low-pellet warning went off. But, the hopper was still half full. I simply pushed the pellets from the ride side to even them out. Just seems weird this wasn't apparent during testing.

I don't know if over time that this pellet feed issue would lead to a flame out due to pellets not feeding properly, but it is most certainly possible.

Conclusion:

Fortunately all of the software issues can be improved with future updates.

Unfortunately the inherent design of this grill is flawed. Allowing all of the grease to collect at the bottom of the smoke chamber and then divert it toward the hottest and dirtiest part of the grill that is spewing embers and ash is unforgivable.

At the very least having to clean up a greasy muddy mess would be a pain. At the very worst you are going to be burning up your food when that ash-grease-mud catches fire. Weber advertised an improved ash collection design and not having to use a shop vac to remove the ash as often with competitor smokers. I don't see how this was not discovered during testing of the product.

Sorry Weber, but you dropped the ball on this product. I am sad too, because I have been waiting for it to come out since it was announced.

This was the first time I ever pre-ordered anything and it will be probably be the last.

Thank you Amazon for your support and return policy.

Update:

I've added photos of how the bottom of the smoker looked after the 12 hour brisket smoke. You can see the grease/ash mixture on the bottom of the grill. I added the foil before the smoke because it was obvious that grease was going to get everywhere and mix with the ash. What i didn't predict is just how much ash ends up inside the grill and just how little ends up in the ash tray. Probably 4:1 ratio of ash in grill to ash in the ash tray.

A photo of the hopper is included to show how the pellets do not feed evenly. I do not know if it would eventually starve the unit of fuel, but it seems highly likely judging by how visible the auger inlet is. What it definitely does is trip the low-pellet sensor, so the grill thinks it has is less pellets than it does.

I added another photo from a second cook I did that shows how the smoker spits out embers on the bottom of the grill. Unfortunately, the grates were in focus and not the bottom, but you can clearly see the embers. This occurred on a higher temperature when i was searing a Tri-Tip.

Also added a video of the grease fire that started at the very end of the cook. I initiated shutdown mode which I think is why the fan is blowing harder than normal.

Update #2:

I decided to try it again smoke two pork shoulders long and slow for 14hrs. During that smoke, it flamed out twice. The first was when a "material bridge" occurred at the entrance to the auger. Then when it was cleared it dumped ~1lb of pellets into the firebox that overflowed into the smoke chamber. I had to let the grill cool down for a good 20 minutes then took me about 10-15 minutes to clean out all the pellets. A lot of the pellets also fell into the grease at the bottom, so to prevent another grease fire I had to remove them.

The second flame out occurred due to the material not feeding down the shallow slope of the hopper. The pellets on the right side eventually get hung up and even though has a good 7-10lbs of pellets still in the hopper it flamed out again.

For the second cook I didn't line the bottom of the smoker with foil in case that was the cause of the ash clogging the drain channels, it still clogged up, but I never saw a grease fire. But embers actively fell into the bottom of the grill, so it's just a matter of time.

Everything I've tried to smoke low and slow just hasn't worked out (brisket and pork shoulder). Everything I have grilled at high heat has turned out great (tri-tip and burgers)

Update #3:
I returned the grill 3 months ago but I never deleted the app. To my surprise, I started getting updates on my app that the grill was operating. So I'm assuming someone purchased the grill I returned and my app is still linked to the controller. This means I can adjust their temperatures or shut down the grill whenever they are using it. I have no idea who owns it or where they are in the country. Seems like a huge security flaw for Weber.
is this your experience or is this from babybackmaniac?
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is this your experience or is this from babybackmaniac?
First review at amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...c0INT&th=1
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First review at amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...c0INT&th=1 [amazon.com]
oh gotcha.

It's a bummer this had so many issues. I was looking forward to its release but ultimately decided against it and got a Rectec instead.
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