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how many times can i split a cable connection?

233 109 July 5, 2009 at 01:01 PM
how many times can i split a cable connection at a single source, without losing signal to the point i dont have a viable signal for tv or internet? i have to run it to 6 different locations (for the office, bedrooms, family rooms and phone). if splitting the signal x6 is too much, what are my options? do i have to have another line run into my house? and do they make a 6way splitter?

also, if i want to add cable to other rooms, assuming 6 is not too many already, would i be able to add it to 2 more rooms?

any suggestions for a splitter to split the signal this many times?
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07-05-2009 at 01:26 PM.
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You really never want to use a split connection, other then at your POS box, for your internet for signal strength and to prevent back feed into the video line. This is why they run a dedicated line for internet.

Now, although having said that, I have split dedicated lines at the wall jack, between a TV and modem, but there were no other devices on the other dedicated line. I had 2 dedicated lines running from the POS box outside, 1 line to room1 and the other line to room2. I used either line, but not both at the same time, and split it at the wall jack between the tv and modem.

Depending on your signal, you should be able to split a video line 3-4 times before it starts losing a significant amount of signal. Then you will need a signal booster.
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07-06-2009 at 06:08 AM.
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I would use a 6-way or 2-3's with an amplifier BEFORE the splitting takes place.

Here I have a Dish Vip722 which I use to serve my entire place with video via coax. If I just run it to a splitter, the signal quality definitely suffers on TV's elsewhere in the house, and I very rarely have more than 1 on at a time. The furthest 2nd TV might be... 100 feet of cabling away, and I am using Belkin RG6 for the entire run! I went and got an amplifier off ebay - and VOILA the signal looks great on all the other TV's.
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07-06-2009 at 06:43 AM.
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Quote from Dr. J :
I would use a 6-way or 2-3's with an amplifier BEFORE the splitting takes place.

Here I have a Dish Vip722 which I use to serve my entire place with video via coax. If I just run it to a splitter, the signal quality definitely suffers on TV's elsewhere in the house, and I very rarely have more than 1 on at a time. The furthest 2nd TV might be... 100 feet of cabling away, and I am using Belkin RG6 for the entire run! I went and got an amplifier off ebay - and VOILA the signal looks great on all the other TV's.
Sort of a different situation, the signal coming out of a set top box isn't nearly the same as the signal coming straight from the cable. For one thing, you're only carrying one signal at a time. You could use RG59 and it would work just fine. For what the OP is doing, his splits need to carry a lot of information for internet and hundreds of channels, not just one video/audio feed out of a set top box.
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07-06-2009 at 07:28 AM.
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In my house, the service line comes in to the basement. It's split there, and one goes to my Internet modem, and the other half goes to a 3way splitter. 1/3 and 2/3 go straight to a TV and 3/3 gets split in to 3 again. Two go in to my homebuilt DVR, and the 3rd in to a Comcast HD DVR. Signal quality on all lines is great.
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07-06-2009 at 07:32 AM.
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Depending on your signal, you should be able to split a video line 3-4 times before it starts losing a significant amount of signal. Then you will need a signal booster.
That sounds about right to me.

As a follow up, if you use a signal booster, it needs to be put in prior to any splits in the signal.

If you put it in at a location after it has been split, you're just boosting the noise.
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07-06-2009 at 08:40 AM.
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Quote :
I would use a 6-way or 2-3's with an amplifier BEFORE the splitting takes place.

Here I have a Dish Vip722 which I use to serve my entire place with video via coax. If I just run it to a splitter, the signal quality definitely suffers on TV's elsewhere in the house, and I very rarely have more than 1 on at a time. The furthest 2nd TV might be... 100 feet of cabling away, and I am using Belkin RG6 for the entire run! I went and got an amplifier off ebay - and VOILA the signal looks great on all the other TV's.
Why would you want to kill ALL the DB's right off the bat..split with a 3 then go down the line. if u need to split again split another 3 off that line. will be same db loss but only to 1 connection off the original 3.

FYI: DONT do all this splitting if you want fast internet
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07-06-2009 at 09:40 AM.
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The internet connection needs to be off the original 1->2 splitter in the POS box. Then you can split the other leg for video as needed.
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07-06-2009 at 07:33 PM.
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Quote from needitcheaper :
how many times can i split a cable connection at a single source, without losing signal to the point i dont have a viable signal for tv or internet? i have to run it to 6 different locations (for the office, bedrooms, family rooms and phone). if splitting the signal x6 is too much, what are my options? do i have to have another line run into my house? and do they make a 6way splitter?

also, if i want to add cable to other rooms, assuming 6 is not too many already, would i be able to add it to 2 more rooms?

any suggestions for a splitter to split the signal this many times?
http://www.dropamp.com/faq.html - This should help answer your questions. If you are making new runs and such I would suggest getting an amp/splitter combo. If you do make sure you buy the terminators for the lines you will not use to help with noise.

Amazon 8-port splitter amp [amazon.com] - $44.25.

Amazon 8-pot splitter amp [amazon.com] - $110
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07-06-2009 at 09:55 PM.
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Quote from tnh :
Why would you want to kill ALL the DB's right off the bat..split with a 3 then go down the line. if u need to split again split another 3 off that line. will be same db loss but only to 1 connection off the original 3.

FYI: DONT do all this splitting if you want fast internet
Why do you want to keep loosing ~ 7db each time you split again??

You don't!


So as noted above you amply the signal, split it with a 6 or 8 or what ever you need splitter at the beginning and star out your cabling from that splitter, never to split any signal downstream if at all possible!

The loss across all the taps on the first splitter is equal...all up to ~ 7db doesn't really matter if it's a 4 or 9 way (I'm just throwing x number of taps for example).

But if you split it with a 3 way...and then later on split it again..you've lost 7db off the original signal and then took 7 more down the line at the 2nd splitter.
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07-06-2009 at 10:27 PM.
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ive had my regular skinny coax cable(the one running from outside the house to the box) replaced with this fat cable but i didnt really notice any difference, will i be able to tell the difference if i get internet?
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07-07-2009 at 01:26 AM.
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ok, people seem to have a few opinions on this. here is what i can tell are my best 2 options (from what i can tell). which do you think is best?

1.) main line into home -> amplifier -> 3-way splitter -> 1 to phone modem, 1 to modem/router, 1 line for video signals -> this line split to the 4 areas i need video

or

2.) main line into home -> amplifier/splitter combo -> 1 to phone modem, 1 to modem/router, 1 to each of the 4 areas i need video (6-way splitter, or 8 if i need further splitting)

1st seems to give best signal to phone and router for internet, but it is still amplified for video (though this one is split in 2 places).
2nd seems to offer a single split to all areas, thus minimizing added noise. it also creates the most noise in my internet and phone
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07-07-2009 at 05:41 AM.
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Well I would take the main line and split it (to 2). Take 1 line and split it if necessary to go to your modem(s). Take the other, aplify it, then split it to go to the TV's. I am not sure how the modems will take the amplifier, especially since amplifiers vary on the frequencies they will amplify.

As I said, if at all possible you want the best for everything. I've even noticed differences in picture quality in using RG6 (larger conductor) over RG59 from the outlet to the TV!
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07-07-2009 at 07:26 AM.
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Why do you want to keep loosing ~ 7db each time you split again??

You don't!


So as noted above you amply the signal, split it with a 6 or 8 or what ever you need splitter at the beginning and star out your cabling from that splitter, never to split any signal downstream if at all possible!

The loss across all the taps on the first splitter is equal...all up to ~ 7db doesn't really matter if it's a 4 or 9 way (I'm just throwing x number of taps for example).

But if you split it with a 3 way...and then later on split it again..you've lost 7db off the original signal and then took 7 more down the line at the 2nd splitter.
This is wrong - it's the total number of splits along the path that matters, whether they are all done at a single point or distributed along the run.

The signal power coming into your house is a constant. Each time you split that signal into 2 the resulting 2 signals have a little less than half the power of the original signal (-3.0dB to -3.5dB for a 1-to-2 splitter). If you split these signals again (1-to-2) the resulting signal power will be about -7dB (or 1/4 of the original power). Passive (unpowered) splitters with multiple outputs can't change physics - and if you look at the specs you'll see that 12x splitters have more loss than 8x splitters which have more loss than 4x splitters and so on. So using a single 8x splitter is about the same as using a series of 2x splitters (assuming you first split 1-to-2, then split each of those 1-to-2 and so on).

I do agree with others that have suggested you should first use a 2x splitter - using one output for your cable modem and split the other for your cable tv needs. CableTVAmps [cabletvamps.com] has a range of multiple output splitters as well as some drop amps. I bought this [amazon.com] drop amp at Amazon, followed by from 4x to 16x splits (depending on the destination) and the setup has worked well.

If you have set-top-boxes and you decide to go with a drop amp - you should make sure that you use a bi-directional amp so that your set-top-boxes have a communication path back to your cable company. If you feed the cable straight into your tv a bidirectional amp is not really needed (assuming you split out your cable modem signal before the amp).
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07-07-2009 at 07:43 AM.
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Quote from needitcheaper :
ok, people seem to have a few opinions on this. here is what i can tell are my best 2 options (from what i can tell). which do you think is best?

1.) main line into home -> amplifier -> 3-way splitter -> 1 to phone modem, 1 to modem/router, 1 line for video signals -> this line split to the 4 areas i need video

or

2.) main line into home -> amplifier/splitter combo -> 1 to phone modem, 1 to modem/router, 1 to each of the 4 areas i need video (6-way splitter, or 8 if i need further splitting)

1st seems to give best signal to phone and router for internet, but it is still amplified for video (though this one is split in 2 places).
2nd seems to offer a single split to all areas, thus minimizing added noise. it also creates the most noise in my internet and phone
I would split out your phone and internet modems first, then add a drop amp and split for your tvs. You could use an unbalanced 3 way splitter (1x -3.5dB output and 2x -7.0dB outputs) if you are concerned about signal power to the TVs (or your could give the lower-loss signal to one of the modems if needed). So my suggestion would look like this :

INPUT
...|- Phone Modem (-7.0dB)
...|- Cable Modem (-7.0dB)
...|- Video (-3.5dB)
......|- Amplifier
.........|- TV #1
.........|- TV #2
.........|- TV #3
.........|- TV #4

Though with this setup without the amplifier, you are only looking at around a -10.5dB level at your TVs, which might be OK.

Many cable modems have some built-in web interface (similar to that for your router) which shows (among other things) input signal levels. You could google your specific model number and find out if the web interface exists and get the default IP address (the default internal IP address for my cable modem is 192.168.100.1), then check to see if there is any info on minimum input signal levels.
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