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KNIPEX Tools 87 01 250 10-Inch Cobra Pliers [amazon.com] - $32.99 is 60% more. These 7" alligators are a better value if you don't need the extra size.
His point went over your head, it's not the size difference. Cobra locks in place and has a button you push to release. These tend to adjust while using them sometimes where a cobra will not, I own them both. Cobra also adjusts between notches a little smoother.
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These are tiny. Great pliers for mainly for small stuff or areas you need tight access.

The 12" are really the great tool here. The 12" don't sound much larger than the 10" but the leverage difference is huge. Don't settle for the 10".

Alligator vs Cobra: Everyone says Cobra and they make too big of a deal out of the differences. The Alligators have less finite of an adjustment but that does not matter with pliers. The Alligators can be much more quickly adjusted. Alligators are the superior options but everyone disagrees with me. (They are wrong and have not used these professionally on plumbing.)
I have both the Alligators and the Cobras and I prefer the Cobras.
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Brevity is the soul of wit.

That's a lot a words just to tell all us peasants how smart and rich you are.
And how stupid people are by buying more expensive tools. You can make the same argument heck for cars, laptops, TV's, etc.
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For those that can get to a Menards, these are $19.99 every day. $17.79 after rebate.
https://www.menards.com/main/tool...c-9156.htm

The 7" Cobras are $26.97 or $24.00 after rebate. https://www.menards.com/main/tool...c-9156.htm

The 10" Cobras are actually a little cheaper at $26.85 or $23.90 after rebate.
https://www.menards.com/main/tool...c-9156.htm
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When you flip homes, have friends that flip homes, all are affluent yet you see people who just have their one home and they are drinking the koolaid that they need professional grade, Made in Germany pliers because the much cheaper alternatives simply wont do the job as well...

I got my 3 set of gator pliers from Home Depot years ago. I live in Florida, the air is very salty, they sit in a garage. I flip homes, I go through lots of plumbing projects including incredibly corroded piping yet somehow, magically I am able to do everything with run-of-the-mill non-professional grade pliers withouy any issues from them after all of these years.

Go figure.
Cool gatekeeping bro.

Some people like nice things.
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When you flip homes, have friends that flip homes, all are affluent yet you see people who just have their one home and they are drinking the koolaid that they need professional grade, Made in Germany pliers because the much cheaper alternatives simply wont do the job as well...

I got my 3 set of gator pliers from Home Depot years ago. I live in Florida, the air is very salty, they sit in a garage. I flip homes, I go through lots of plumbing projects including incredibly corroded piping yet somehow, magically I am able to do everything with run-of-the-mill non-professional grade pliers withouy any issues from them after all of these years.

Go figure.
Often, it is is not a matter of 'need,' but that is what someone wants. Yes, I have seen people do some amazing work with poor tools, but quality is well worth it if you can afford... and will be passed down for a generation or two. After all, a micro car will get you from point A to point B, but I am not driving one if I don't have to.... still better than walking. Smilie

Personally, I dislike this type of pliers and will normally opt for a pipe wrench or a regular wrench that fits, but if I need a pair, the design and quality of Knipex is well worth the extra few bucks for not slipping, for not jumping teeth until they are well worn out. I cannot count the number of times I have pinched my palm or fingers from other types.

An example of the 'other' design is Klein [homedepot.com] that is ok because of the quality of metal, but that side gear design passes on down to the cheaper models that will jump a tooth if really squeezing. You typically want to use at least the next size larger than you need for strength in tool. For this type of plier, Knipex is the one to own if you can afford.
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When you flip homes, have friends that flip homes, all are affluent yet you see people who just have their one home and they are drinking the koolaid that they need professional grade, Made in Germany pliers because the much cheaper alternatives simply wont do the job as well...

I got my 3 set of gator pliers from Home Depot years ago. I live in Florida, the air is very salty, they sit in a garage. I flip homes, I go through lots of plumbing projects including incredibly corroded piping yet somehow, magically I am able to do everything with run-of-the-mill non-professional grade pliers withouy any issues from them after all of these years.

Go figure.
If you never had issues why get a 2nd and 3rd set?
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His point went over your head, it's not the size difference. Cobra locks in place and has a button you push to release. These tend to adjust while using them sometimes where a cobra will not, I own them both. Cobra also adjusts between notches a little smoother.
I understood. My response was to the guy saying the 7" being easier to handle and the utility of the 7". The cobras come with quite a premium over the alligators, and if the cost was equal, I'd pick the cobras every time. It's like with ratchets. Most of mine were upgraded to 72 teeth 5 degree arc, but I've seen 120 tooth 3 degrees ones now. I still say that the alligator is a better value than the superior cobra. Those that use pliers every day and can afford it would probably get the cobras.
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KNIPEX Tools 87 01 250 10-Inch Cobra Pliers [amazon.com] - $32.99 is 60% more. These 7" alligators are a better value if you don't need the extra size.
7 inch Cobras go down to $26 regularly and have a huge ergonomic advantage, that's worth 6 dollars to anyone needing pliers this good.
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There seems to be some confusion, so here is a comparison....

Knipex Cobra vs Alligator pliers..... [youtube.com]
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Often, it is is not a matter of 'need,' but that is what someone wants. Yes, I have seen people do some amazing work with poor tools, but quality is well worth it if you can afford... and will be passed down for a generation or two. After all, a micro car will get you from point A to point B, but I am not driving one if I don't have to.... still better than walking. https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...lies/smile.gif

Personally, I dislike this type of pliers and will normally opt for a pipe wrench or a regular wrench that fits, but if I need a pair, the design and quality of Knipex is well worth the extra few bucks for not slipping, for not jumping teeth until they are well worn out. I cannot count the number of times I have pinched my palm or fingers from other types.

An example of the 'other' design is Klein [homedepot.com] that is ok because of the quality of metal, but that side gear design passes on down to the cheaper models that will jump a tooth if really squeezing. You typically want to use at least the next size larger than you need for strength in tool. For this type of plier, Knipex is the one to own if you can afford.
I hereby bequeath all my Knipex pliers to my favorite grandson Herman, along with my complete collection of brushless M18 Milwaukee cordless tools. I found them all invaluable in my crafting hobbies.
For my wayward stepson Wayne, I bequeath the set of Hyper Tough pliers and brushed cordless tools that I have been gifted over the years. They are essentially unused, as I deemed them of too low quality to bother with.
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We can get into a pissing match about the many reasons why the average person will be just fine w whatever they can get down at their box store - and yes, that's generally true. But - I have always found buying a quality tool, particularly something that might get used as often as pliers, to be worthwhile.

I have these alligators and find them to be a nice balance of quality and affordability over the cobras. I have similar Irwin tools to the cobras, and while the button adjust is nice, I wouldn't call it necessary for the majority of general work that I have done w/ them.
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These 10" Alligator ones are at a good price right now too:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...0DER&psc=1
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SO - if you live near a Menards store you can get the same exact tool much cheaper. Even their everyday price is cheaper if you don't want to fool with rebates.

KNIPEX® Alligator® 7-1/4" Groove Joint Pliers
Model Number: 8801180SBA
Menards® SKU: 2377626

EVERYDAY LOW PRICE$19.99
11% MAIL-IN REBATE Good Through 9/26/20 $2.20
FINAL PRICE $17.79
You Save $2.20 After Mail-In Rebate

https://www.menards.com/main/tool...c-9156.htm
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What's the difference red handle VS red and blue? Do they signifying different quality levels or just newer products?
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