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You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
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At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

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$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

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As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Ooh man thats a really old router, and definitely part of your issue. N300 routers are not really made to handle speeds over 100Mbps especially with multiple devices. You should see a significant difference from the Archer A7 in terms of both speeds and coverage.

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And to think that all these years I assumed N300 means good for up to 300Mbs!

Well at least for now:
a) I know the router has to be replaced
b) I need to ascertain why the SB6141 is only getting speeds of 50 to 86 mbps via the router (and why the cable company thinks it can only go to 120 mbps), and why they were pushing me to get their own modem (their modem, they say, will not cost me extra).
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Is the AX1800 at Walmart the same as the one at Amazon? One of those posting either in this thread, or the previous frontpage deal, said that this isn't the case. What's your take?

Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wi...085288G3M/

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https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin...210201077?
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And to think that all these years I assumed N300 means good for up to 300Mbs!

Well at least for now:
a) I know the router has to be replaced
b) I need to ascertain why the SB6141 is only getting speeds of 50 to 86 mbps via the router (and why the cable company thinks it can only go to 120 mbps), and why they were pushing me to get their own modem (their modem, they say, will not cost me extra).
As I mentioned to someone else routers have something called QoS which controls how much speed a device can get. Your QoS on the older router might be limiting your speeds cause the point of QoS is to make sure all connected devices get the piece of the pie to put it simply. That is why you need to plug directly with a computer to your modem to see your real raw speeds. So the router might be getting your full 200Mbps but QoS is only allowing your device to have a certain amount of speed.

They are pushing for the newer modem cause it will in general provide you better service, but primarily cause they get their rental fee. Do a speed test direct from the modem before doing anything else to see if you really are getting slower speeds. As I mentioned in a previous comment your service wiring might also be a problem if they are using splitters to get your multiple modems running and if you have any tv service too.
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As I mentioned to someone else routers have something called QoS which controls how much speed a device can get. Your QoS on the older router might be limiting your speeds cause the point of QoS is to make sure all connected devices get the piece of the pie to put it simply. That is why you need to plug directly with a computer to your modem to see your real raw speeds. So the router might be getting your full 200Mbps but QoS is only allowing your device to have a certain amount of speed.

They are pushing for the newer modem cause it will in general provide you better service, but primarily cause they get their rental fee. Do a speed test direct from the modem before doing anything else to see if you really are getting slower speeds. As I mentioned in a previous comment your service wiring might also be a problem if they are using splitters to get your multiple modems running and if you have any tv service too.
1. You refer multiple models. Are you referring to the Arris and SB 6141? They wanted to replace the SB 6141 but not the Arris.

2. They are not charging a rental fee for their modem (replacement for SB 6141).

3. In earlier posts, you seem to suggest that the AX 1800 ($100) is way better than the AC 1750 for half the price ($50). Is that a correct characterization?

4. Yes, I am aware that I need to test the SB 6141 speed without a connection to the router. I haven't had the chance as yet. I will report back when I test the speed without the router.

5. As you are aware, I too am curious to discover the bottlenecks. For one, I know it is the router. Now, to investigate if there are other bottlenecks like the SB 6141, or cable, or the arris telephony modem.

Thanks for all your help.
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Is the AX1800 at Walmart the same as the one at Amazon? One of those posting either in this thread, or the previous frontpage deal, said that this isn't the case. What's your take?

Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wi...085288G3M/

Walmart

https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin...210201077?
They look identical to me and I checked most of the specs, only difference is one lists it works with Alexa in the subject line, but they both should. I searched on Walmart reviews and they mentioned it does work with Alexa too in one of the reviews.
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They look identical to me and I checked most of the specs, only difference is one lists it works with Alexa, but they both should. I searched on Walmart reviews and they mentioned it does work with Alexa too in one of the reviews.
The one on Amazon has "Archer AX20" while the one at Walmart doesn't. I wonder if this is purely a marketing difference.
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They look identical to me and I checked most of the specs, only difference is one lists it works with Alexa in the subject line, but they both should. I searched on Walmart reviews and they mentioned it does work with Alexa too in one of the reviews.
How does Alexa work on a router? I mean what can you tell the router with voice controls?
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Was the modem/router given to you by your internet provider?
Usually they give basic modems and routers you will end up getting more speed by installing your own modem and router
I went from 60mb to 110 by getting my own stuff
Yes, it's built into my gigabit modem.
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1. You refer multiple models. Are you referring to the Arris and SB 6141? They wanted to replace the SB 6141 but not the Arris.

2. They are not charging a rental fee for their modem (replacement for SB 6141).

3. In earlier posts, you seem to suggest that the AX 1800 ($100) is way better than the AC 1750 for half the price ($50). Is that a correct characterization?

4. Yes, I am aware that I need to test the SB 6141 speed without a connection to the router. I haven't had the chance as yet. I will report back when I test the speed without the router.

5. As you are aware, I too am curious to discover the bottlenecks. For one, I know it is the router. Now, to investigate if there are other bottlenecks like the SB 6141, or cable, or the arris telephony modem.

Thanks for all your help.
#1.I was referring to the SB6141 since that is providing your internet, the arris can be left alone, since its only used for voice service.

#2.You mentioned there would be an extra cost for replacing the SB6141 which I thought would be the rental fee if you get the new modem, cause most providers charge a rental fee.

#3. It is a big step up and worth the cost for people that want to hold their routers for a long time cause its more future proof with the latest technology. The AC1750 is a highly rated budget model router so its very good but it will require replacement in a 2-3 years. Like your N300 router should have been a while ago, cause right now that N300 router is causing probably most of your problems.

#5. Yep good to see the bottlenecks and try to relieve those choke points. One final choke point as I mentioned could be your home lines coming from the outside might need to be replaced too if we were to cover every single base. As well as the lines inside the home and if they are using any splitters to split the service.
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It drops devices and sometime reboot the whole 2.4 GHz band. Frankly, my next upgrade will be a mesh wifi-6 . I am waiting for the black friday deal for them. Another thing to note for the wifi-home-automators, if you don't want your love ones to pull their hair from wifi dropping, make sure they are using the 5 GHz Smilie.
For 40 devices a decent router should not drop devices if the coverage is good.

Currently I have 3 asus ac68u to cover a two story sfh with basement and a 0.4acer yard pretty well.

One serves as the main router. The second one is setup as a repeater throught 5ghz to the main. The third is set as a bridge to provide wired connection in my office and fast connect to NAS.

I have consistent 400Mbps internet using the main router 5ghz and 150mbps+ through the repeater. The 2.4ghz main and from the repeater provides reliable connection in the garage, backyard and for the low speed devices as echo/smart switches/garagedoor... the speed accessing to the NAS is about 600mbps from the 5g bridge.. I have about 50 devices connected in total and rarely have any issues of connections.

I did not use the mesh as the lower end dual band mesh could not provide such speed.

It is not to say the aging AC68Us are better. However, it does hsow the newer routers are probably overkill for average households. Reliability is quite important here.

I suggest you check the coverage to see whether the dropped device has too low rssi<-70dBm. Mesh routers are not designed to have better coverage/speed compared to old repeater/bridge/gateway structure. Mesh provide better coverage and decent speed and unified network with simiplied setup and maintainance process, so that it saves a lot of headaches of average consumers.
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I can definitely see a splitter but there are so many cables I have no idea what it is splitting or extending.
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The one on Amazon has "Archer AX20" while the one at Walmart doesn't. I wonder if this is purely a marketing difference.
AX20/AX1800 is the official name of the router as can be seen on the manufactures website posted below. Just like how the AX50/AX3000 are the same router. I believe the AX20/AX1800 is used to differentiate by region sold, but I am not sure why they did this.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-n...cher-ax20/

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How does Alexa work on a router? I mean what can you tell the router with voice controls?
I dont use Alexa, but its probably simple commands as pause internet to stop internet temporarily and probably reboot to have the router restart itself. They are nothing to in depth and life changing from what I seen on previous routers with google/alexa intergration.
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We do have quite a few experts on networking here. i was thinking to replace the Netgear R6700 with this. After last firmware upgrade, I see the speeds started dropping and also occasional drops on the connections./ Was working very well before that. I did a few things to work on the issue but without success.
  1. Downgraded the firmware.
  2. Hard reset the device and downgraded and vice versa.
But nothing seems to help? Any idea on how to revive the device?
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Does the router in this thread or the AC 1750 select 2.3 GHz or 5.3 Ghz frequency as the default?
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I can definitely see a splitter but there are so many cables I have no idea what it is splitting or extending.
Best to leave that alone for now, and just worry about doing that speed test before even worrying about that headache. If you plug in and get your full speeds than if your set on using the A7 just plug in the A7 and you should be good to go.

If you plug into the current modem and you dont get close to your speeds, than you can go the easy route and try a new modem and see what happens as the service provider suggested, and if that works great, if you still get slow speeds you would need a service tech to come out. Unless your really tech savy you dont want to be unscrewing and unplugging things and cause yourself a bigger head ache, like not having phone service and or internet.
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