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Dell Inspiron 15 5502: 15.6'' FHD IPS, i7-1165G7, 12GB DDR4, 512GB PCIe SSD, Win10H @ $749.99 + F/S

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  • aluminium cover and palm rest
  • 15.6" 1080P Anti-Glare WVA Display (220 Nits)
  • Tiger Lake i7-1165G7 2.7 GHz (4.7 GHz Turbo, 12MB Cache)
  • Intel Iris XE Graphics (96 EU)
  • 12GB (8GB+4GB) DDR4 3200 MHz Ram (2 DIMM, 64GB Max)
  • 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
  • Backlit Keyboard
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  • 720P HD Webcam
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  • Fingerprint Reader in Power Button
  • Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 (2x2) + Bluetooth 5.1
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This is $34 cheaper than the current Popular deal of the exact same model ($783.99).

You may not see the Fingerprint Reader and Backlit Keyboard mentioned in the landing page. Just add the Product in Cart and click on the View Full Spec to expand the full configuration. You will see the below details:
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This is actually a pretty decent price for an i7, and from what I've heard the 11th Gen Intel CPUs are as good as the Ryzens. Does it come with upgradable memory/storage?
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This is actually a pretty decent price for an i7, and from what I've heard the 11th Gen Intel CPUs are as good as the Ryzens. Does it come with upgradable memory/storage?
You heard it a bit worng. This 11th Gen CPUs are not as good as Ryzen, especially in Multi-threaded Applications. The highest end model i7-185G7 with its max 28W TDP setup, was pitted against Ryzen 7 4750U and Ryzen 7 4800U, both 15W and 25W TDP comparison. Intel has good single core performance advantages over Ryzen, especially in lightly threaded loads like Excel, Browsing, Adobe PDF and Photoshop but in Multi-threaded applications, Ryzen still performs better. Even the 6C/6T Ryzen 5 4500U or 6C/12T Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, both beat 1185G7 even at 28W TDP. Ryzen 7 4750U and 4800U are in a different league.

However, the Graphics performance of Intel Xe Graphics with 96 EU (Top version of XE Graphics in Tiger Lake), in benchmarks, good amount of faster than VEGA 8, which is the maximum in Ryzen 4000 series, and comparable to dedicated MX350 Graphics.

But in real world gaming performance, Reviewers found out there are tons of bugs and high optimizations are needed. A lot of games crashed or did not run at all. Games which were running successfully, having issues with Shaders, Colors etc.

If CPU performance is what you are after then Ryzen 4000 series is still a better option.
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You heard it a bit worng. This 11th Gen CPUs are not as good as Ryzen, especially in Multi-threaded Applications. The highest end model i7-185G7 with its max 28W TDP setup, was pitted against Ryzen 7 4750U and Ryzen 7 4800U, both 15W and 25W TDP comparison. Intel has good single core performance advantages over Ryzen, especially in lightly threaded loads like Excel, Browsing, Adobe PDF and Photoshop but in Multi-threaded applications, Ryzen still performs better. Even the 6C/6T Ryzen 5 4500U or 6C/12T Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, both beat 1185G7 even at 28W TDP. Ryzen 7 4750U and 4800U are in a different league.

However, the Graphics performance of Intel Xe Graphics with 96 EU (Top version of XE Graphics in Tiger Lake), in benchmarks, good amount of faster than VEGA 8, which is the maximum in Ryzen 4000 series, and comparable to dedicated MX350 Graphics.

But in real world gaming performance, Reviewers found out there are tons of bugs and high optimizations are needed. A lot of games crashed or did not run at all. Games which were running successfully, having issues with Shaders, Colors etc.

If CPU performance is what you are after then Ryzen 4000 series is still a better option.
How is this processor for work use? Need something to run multiple programs at once including multiple instances of excel and various financial/tax programs?
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You heard it a bit worng. This 11th Gen CPUs are not as good as Ryzen, especially in Multi-threaded Applications. The highest end model i7-185G7 with its max 28W TDP setup, was pitted against Ryzen 7 4750U and Ryzen 7 4800U, both 15W and 25W TDP comparison. Intel has good single core performance advantages over Ryzen, especially in lightly threaded loads like Excel, Browsing, Adobe PDF and Photoshop but in Multi-threaded applications, Ryzen still performs better. Even the 6C/6T Ryzen 5 4500U or 6C/12T Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, both beat 1185G7 even at 28W TDP. Ryzen 7 4750U and 4800U are in a different league.

However, the Graphics performance of Intel Xe Graphics with 96 EU (Top version of XE Graphics in Tiger Lake), in benchmarks, good amount of faster than VEGA 8, which is the maximum in Ryzen 4000 series, and comparable to dedicated MX350 Graphics.

But in real world gaming performance, Reviewers found out there are tons of bugs and high optimizations are needed. A lot of games crashed or did not run at all. Games which were running successfully, having issues with Shaders, Colors etc.

If CPU performance is what you are after then Ryzen 4000 series is still a better option.
I think I know where you're getting this from (99% sure it's the LTT video), and I have to say, those were early units, with no proper drivers or optimisation. If this is a Tiger Lake CPU, then it's still a good deal.

Not to mention, the Ryzen 4000 laptops have been very short in supply.
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I think I know where you're getting this from (99% sure it's the LTT video), and I have to say, those were early units, with no proper drivers or optimisation. If this is a Tiger Lake CPU, then it's still a good deal.

Not to mention, the Ryzen 4000 laptops have been very short in supply.
No, I am not. I mainly watch the Hardware Canuck and Hardware Unboxed and Hardware Unboxed did the review of the Production Unit of Asus Zenbook and they said the same thing. Notebookcheck.net also did the review of the Acer Swift 3 model with 1165G7 and their findings matches with others.
Below are the links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m...areCanucks

Notebookcheck Review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asu...286.0.html

Notebookcheck clearly mentioned that Raw Multithreaded Benchmark results are 20 to 30% slower than Ryzen 5 4500U, the low end Ryzen 4000, when compared to i7-1165G7, top of the line Tiger Lake. It is slower in CineBench R15 and 20, Blender, H265 Benchmark

Anyway, you can check the above two reviews by yourself rather than believing my words.
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How is this processor for work use? Need something to run multiple programs at once including multiple instances of excel and various financial/tax programs?
Won't be a good choice the. It has very powerful graphics which is not relevant to your use case and it still has 4 Cores which will be limiting factor for running multiple applications simultaneously and those Tax programs which relies heavily on CPU performance.

Look for the ThinkPad T14 (14") or X13 (13") deals with Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U which is a 8 Core /16 Thread Processor. The deals come regularly from Lenovo site and you can get a fully configured one between $900 to $1000 mark.
Other option I can think of is the HP Envy x360 15 model with Ryzen 7 4700U.

Another option is below (The Deal is active again)
https://slickdeals.net/f/14404112-all-new-asus-zenbook-ultra-14-14-fhd-ips-ryzen-7-4700u-16gb-lpddr4-1tb-pcie-ssd-win10-pro-899-f-s

Asus Zenbook 14 UM425IA-NH74 @ $899.
This has far superior build quality, a better quality display (100% sRGB vs 60% on this one), 8 Core Ryzen 7 4700U, 1TB PCIe SSD and 16GB soldered LPDDR4X 3733 MHz Ram. The Ram is soldered but is is more power efficient and runs over 500 MHz faster than DDR4 3200 and I think for most people, 16GB is enough.
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220-nit display? Seems like they are getting worse instead of better.
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Great price for the new processor and user upgradeable RAM and SSD, but the 220-nit display and lack of Thunderbolt kill it for me. It's like Dell intentionally hobbles these in small, but important ways so they can still charge a premium for their XPS line.
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How is this processor for work use? Need something to run multiple programs at once including multiple instances of excel and various financial/tax programs?
If youre talking about Excel and programs like BNA or Checkpoint, go with intel. Those programs arent autoCAD and dont need 8 cores, and AMD underperforms badly vs Intel on Excel (which Id guess is your primary program).
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MT performance... pft.
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Paypal 5% cashback with chase freedom Fyi..
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220nit screens should be thrown out
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You guys wasted all this time arguing over the processor and technical specs when all you had to post was the screen is 220 nits (meaning it's not bright) and therefore not a good laptop.
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