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This is the first time I have seen a significant discount on the Petit Seconde (small seconds) models, and a few others are discounted to various degrees as well.

These are the Irony models that have a steel case and are supposedly serviceable. They are just over 42mm diameter and a chunky 13mm thick. Mineral glass on the front, plastic display caseback, "Water Resistant."

For around $200 from various grey-market dealers, you can buy a bit further up the Swatch Group ladder and get a Tissot with a better movement, better build quality, a nicer bracelet and clasp, easier to change the strap, sapphire crystal, smaller and thinner, and maybe more water resistance. Buy this if you like the looks; Swatches are not "spec monsters," but they make watches that look nice.


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Horologically speaking, Petite Seconde (Small second hand at 6) movement is simpler movement than center second hand movement (needs additional offset gears). I wonder whether Petite Seconde models also have 51 parts as center second models. (should have fewer parts)

That said, it is funny that most of the listing says "SISTEM 51 Quartz movement" which can't be as SISTEM51 is NOT a Quartz movement which is usual battery powered movement. (Grand Seiko Spring Drive movement may be considered a quartz movement without battery)

One even advertises "free battery replacement by Swatch". I hope people does not bring it to Swatch for battery replacement once watch "stops" after 90 hours.

I don't know whether SISTEM 51 can be serviced as there is no regulation since the actual "regulation" is done via laser by shaving the balance wheel and some parts are actually soldered. I am GUESSING it may be cheaper to just replace the movement all together.

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Horologically speaking, Petite Seconde (Small second hand at 6) movement is simpler movement than center second hand movement (needs additional offset gears). I wonder whether Petite Seconde models also have 51 parts as center second models. (should have fewer parts)

That said, it is funny that most of the listing says "SISTEM 51 Quartz movement" which can't be as SISTEM51 is NOT a Quartz movement which is usual battery powered movement. (Grand Seiko Spring Drive movement may be considered a quartz movement without battery)

One even advertises "free battery replacement by Swatch". I hope people does not bring it to Swatch for battery replacement once watch "stops" after 90 hours.

I don't know whether SISTEM 51 can be serviced as there is no regulation since the actual "regulation" is done via laser by shaving the balance wheel and some parts are actually soldered. I am GUESSING it may be cheaper to just replace the movement all together.
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Is the small second hand quieter than the larger ones?
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Horologically speaking, Petite Seconde (Small second hand at 6) movement is simpler movement than center second hand movement (needs additional offset gears). I wonder whether Petite Seconde models also have 51 parts as center second models. (should have fewer parts)

That said, it is funny that most of the listing says "SISTEM 51 Quartz movement" which can't be as SISTEM51 is NOT a Quartz movement which is usual battery powered movement. (Grand Seiko Spring Drive movement may be considered a quartz movement without battery)

One even advertises "free battery replacement by Swatch". I hope people does not bring it to Swatch for battery replacement once watch "stops" after 90 hours.

I don't know whether SISTEM 51 can be serviced as there is no regulation since the actual "regulation" is done via laser by shaving the balance wheel and some parts are actually soldered. I am GUESSING it may be cheaper to just replace the movement all together.
Why I haven't bought one. None of the Sistem51 movements can be serviced.
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I'll be honest, I don't get the criticism that these things aren't serviceable. Service costs would probably equal the value of the watch. I see these as slightly pricier Seiko 5s, which also weren't really intended to be serviced but rather replaced. That being said my FIL's Seiko 5 still runs after 30 years of no service, not sure if the Sistem51 watches will be as reliable/durable.
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Can we trust GLOBAL WATCH seller?
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I'm not a "watch guy". This watch does nothing more than display the date and time. It's looks are nothing special. What makes this better than a similar looking Timex from Walmart? I understand the heightened value of a special purpose watch such as a diver's watch or fitness watch or a chrome, platinum, gold, diamond studded display of wealth.. Smart watches are in a completely different category. They are often pricey because of the technology gimmicks. I just don't understand the appeal of a basic looking watch that does the basic functions of a watch at a price much more than a Walmart Timex. Timex is serviceable but cheap enough to just replace.


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Not crapping on the deal. Just trying to understand.
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I'll be honest, I don't get the criticism that these things aren't serviceable. Service costs would probably equal the value of the watch. I see these as slightly pricier Seiko 5s, which also weren't really intended to be serviced but rather replaced. That being said my FIL's Seiko 5 still runs after 30 years of no service, not sure if the Sistem51 watches will be as reliable/durable.
It's even worse than that. The case back of the Sistem51 is sealed, so even the case itself can't be salvaged if the movement is dead. With the Seiko 5, at least you can source a new part/movement to revive the watch. The majority of the cases of the Seiko 5 are also metal and can be cleaned and polished. Even at this price, it's not worth the money compared to Seiko 5. If someone really wants an automatic Swiss watch, I suggest looking at other brands such as Victorinox, Tissot, or Hamilton.
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I'm not a "watch guy". This watch does nothing more than display the date and time. It's looks are nothing special. What makes this better than a similar looking Timex from Walmart? I understand the heightened value of a special purpose watch such as a diver's watch or fitness watch or a chrome, platinum, gold, diamond studded display of wealth.. Smart watches are in a completely different category. They are often pricey because of the technology gimmicks. I just don't understand the appeal of a basic looking watch that does the basic functions of a watch at a price much more than a Walmart Timex. Timex is serviceable but cheap enough to just replace.


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Not crapping on the deal. Just trying to understand.
I don't think i can say anything to change your mind. If your not a watch guy then thinks like being swiss made, being mechanical, being the first every automated assembled automatic movement won't mean much to you. The same reason someone wants a Benchmade knife over a Walmart knife, is why people pay more for seemingly small differences.

In reality $175 for a swiss automatic watch is actually really cheap, so to some people this is closer to a Walmart timex than to a "nice watch".
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It's even worse than that. The case back of the Sistem51 is sealed, so even the case itself can't be salvaged if the movement is dead. With the Seiko 5, at least you can source a new part/movement to revive the watch. The majority of the cases of the Seiko 5 are also metal and can be cleaned and polished. Even at this price, it's not worth the money compared to Seiko 5. If someone really wants an automatic Swiss watch, I suggest looking at other brands such as Victorinox, Tissot, or Hamilton.
These are all the Irony models that have a steel case and can be opened for servicing, as opposed to the regular plastic-cased Sistem 51s that are welded shut and can't be serviced.

That said, someone else in the thread noted that like an inexpensive Seiko (or Citizen, or even many Swiss watches with affordable movements), that servicing will likely consist of a movement replacement, or replacing the watch. Of course, in the plastic Sistem 51 "regular", only the latter is available, since the case is welded shut. With the Sistem 51 Irony, the case can be opened to service or replace the movement (reportedly).

As I pointed out in the original post, don't buy these because of the specs, unless you must have "Swiss" on the dial, and you can't afford $200-$250 for a Tissot/Glycine/other inexpensive swiss automatic watch. Buy these because you appreciate the styling, or otherwise like the watch.
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These are all the Irony models that have a steel case and can be opened for servicing, as opposed to the regular plastic-cased Sistem 51s that are welded shut and can't be serviced.

That said, someone else in the thread noted that like an inexpensive Seiko (or Citizen, or even many Swiss watches with affordable movements), that servicing will likely consist of a movement replacement, or replacing the watch. Of course, in the plastic Sistem 51 "regular", only the latter is available, since the case is welded shut. With the Sistem 51 Irony, the case can be opened to service or replace the movement (reportedly).

As I pointed out in the original post, don't buy these because of the specs, unless you must have "Swiss" on the dial, and you can't afford $200-$250 for a Tissot/Glycine/other inexpensive swiss automatic watch. Buy these because you appreciate the styling, or otherwise like the watch.
That was my bad. You are correct. The case of this steel version is not welded shut like the plastic one. This is definitely intriguing for me. I just wished it would be a little smaller. This looks like a good deal though. 👍
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I don't think i can say anything to change your mind. If your not a watch guy then thinks like being swiss made, being mechanical, being the first every automated assembled automatic movement won't mean much to you. The same reason someone wants a Benchmade knife over a Walmart knife, is why people pay more for seemingly small differences.

In reality $175 for a swiss automatic watch is actually really cheap, so to some people this is closer to a Walmart timex than to a "nice watch".
Still don't quite get it but hope you guys enjoy.
Your knife example doesn't work for me. High quality knives perform better by giving a cleaner, thinner, precise cut while maintaining its sharpness for a longer period of time. It improves on the primary function of the knife. How does swiss automatic mechanical movement improve the keeping and displaying of time versus a cheap watch?
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Still don't quite get it but hope you guys enjoy.
Your knife example doesn't work for me. High quality knives perform better by giving a cleaner, thinner, precise cut while maintaining its sharpness for a longer period of time. It improves on the primary function of the knife. How does swiss automatic mechanical movement improve the keeping and displaying of time versus a cheap watch?
Think of this as jewelry. Some people prefer the look of this and the fact it is labeled as "Swiss made" over a Timex which does not have the panache.
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I have a cheap automatic Timex. My in laws got me a mid tier Swiss watch. My timex picks up a lot of time over a few days so I have to tweak it a few minutes often, else it drifts off actual time. Very similar to cheap vs good knives. You can sharpen both to shave hairs, but the cheap ones you may have more trouble getting/keeping sharp/having to sharpen often.

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Still don't quite get it but hope you guys enjoy.
Your knife example doesn't work for me. High quality knives perform better by giving a cleaner, thinner, precise cut while maintaining its sharpness for a longer period of time. It improves on the primary function of the knife. How does swiss automatic mechanical movement improve the keeping and displaying of time versus a cheap watch?
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