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Massca Twin Pocket Hole Jig Set – Adjustable & Easy to Use Joinery Woodworking Tool w/Drill Bit, Hex Key & Stop Collar – For DIY Carpentry Projects $21.99

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FYI: some guy did a test and 2 regular screws into end grain are stronger than 4 pocket screws.
https://youtu.be/gGSpVJhVfKw
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I prefer the k4 style with the clamp/base. I went with the harbor freight with a coupon and it worked great. Only problem I had was trying to use plastic hand clamps when fastening the pieces together. Switched to some old metal c-clamps and had perfectly flush joints.
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When is SD going to crack down on shill accounts...
I personally made thousands from Fatwallet and SD is about 20x bigger, so you can imagine their income. Despite this, SD gives ZERO cashback.

Their only motivation is clear. As long as they get a piece, no matter if it's 1/1000 of a cent, they aren't cracking down on sh!t.
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I paid about $45 for Keg. One of the hole are not straight. It design looks simple enough I'm not sure what could go wrong with this brand. Beside its half of the price comparing to Keg. Talking about quality one of them hold are nit straight as I mentioned above.
Maybe if it actually WAS half the price of the Kreg, it would be a better deal, but it's not. It's currently only $7 less than the Kreg, and it doesn't include the $5 bit you need to drive pocket screws. So it's actually only $2 cheaper than the Kreg. For that $2 extra, you get a case, some pocket screws and plugs, and a drill bit that appears to be made out of higher quality steel from the reviews. Seems a good deal for $2 more.
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FYI: some guy did a test and 2 regular screws into end grain are stronger than 4 pocket screws.
https://youtu.be/gGSpVJhVfKw
I could see that being true without some bonding agent but the pocket hole and fastener is only used to increase productivity. The strength of the joint comes from the glue. The screws just hold the pieces together while the glue cures. And when it sets the wood will fail before the glue does.
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The reviews seem pretty mixed - several mention the depth adjustment being incorrect, and lots of them mention the quality of the drill bit being pretty poor. Add $15 to replace the drill.
Also keep in mind this doesn't include the long square bit needed to install pocket screws that Kreg includes, so there's another $5 you need to spend.
I improvise using non kreg screws in some applications, since they often have different heads I use two bit extenders and the appropriate bit without issues so really no need for the square but although I admit it's convenient.
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FYI: some guy did a test and 2 regular screws into end grain are stronger than 4 pocket screws.
https://youtu.be/gGSpVJhVfKw
First, strength is only one of many factors that come into play when considering the type of joinery you will use. One of the main purposes of pocket holes is to maintain the integrity of the outside of a work piece from showing obvious screw holes.
Second, that specific use scenario is only one of many ways pocket holes can be used. If pocket holes were only designed to be used for joining corner boards together, your point would be relevant. As it stands, it plays a much smaller role in the grand scheme of possible use scenarios that pocket holes might be the best option on a project.
Some projects are designed for strength and durability. Some for aesthetics. Joinery type is not always a one size fits all requiring maximum strength of hold.
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FYI: some guy did a test and 2 regular screws into end grain are stronger than 4 pocket screws.
https://youtu.be/gGSpVJhVfKw
Guess you're going to say Jesus & Santa aren't real next? Folks can't afford to second guess what they've already sank investments into - time or money
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Get the metal one with the vice grip. This looks like a nightmare. Also - these come with screws that I have not been able to find elsewhere. I HAVE been able to make my own from Home Depot and Lowes by buying a screw of the same length and adding a small washer the same diameter as the screws provided in the starter pack.
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FYI: some guy did a test and 2 regular screws into end grain are stronger than 4 pocket screws.
https://youtu.be/gGSpVJhVfKw
Unbelievable!!! Who woulda thunk that two huge 4" screws would have more holding power than a four little 2" screws that barely engage the material???

That guy is an idiot who completely fails to understand the utility of pocket screws and where/when they should be used. He used them incorrectly and they failed...what a genius!
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So much "cheaper" is right.

Kreg is far from good... their hardware (clamps, screws, bits) are garbage. Their track and router items are both low quality, and overpriced by a mile. But their pocket hole jig is easy and worth it for a DIY'er.

With that said... best way to do pocket holes is to make your own pocket hole jig. There's tons of vids on youtube. I made a cool one from linear rods, brass bushings, and some HDPE I recycled. There's many ways to do it.
I'd counter that. Been using Kreg K4 jig, accucut and rip cut. I can make cabinets with these few tools and my Ryobi $25 saw. I tweaked a few things to make it more accurate but each one of these tools has very high return on investment.
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When is SD going to crack down on shill accounts...
They're part of their business. I think SD also runs some shill bots for their affiliates. More people who get suckered and purchase products through their clickthrough affiliate links, the more money they get. They could care less what the offerings is. They're making money.
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I don't know about this item but pocket holes are great. I'm using my kreg right now.
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They're part of their business. I think SD also runs some shill bots for their affiliates. More people who get suckered and purchase products through their clickthrough affiliate links, the more money they get. They could care less what the offerings is. They're making money.
Yes this site preys on hoarders, people who have shopping addictions, those who are naive regarding reviews, and what I hate the most is they have fake/disingenuous members constantly battering people with their "glowing product experiences." People trust members here because they're presented as real people....so much more invasive than just a fake review on amazon.
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