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Massca Twin Pocket Hole Jig Set – Adjustable & Easy to Use Joinery Woodworking Tool w/Drill Bit, Hex Key & Stop Collar – For DIY Carpentry Projects $21.99

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I could see that being true without some bonding agent but the pocket hole and fastener is only used to increase productivity. The strength of the joint comes from the glue. The screws just hold the pieces together while the glue cures. And when it sets the wood will fail before the glue does.
For pocket holes, glue doesn't seem to multiply their strength like it does for dowels or mortise/tenon joints. Note, though, he is applying force to one of the weaker sides of a pocket hole, so the 10% increase isn't insignificant either. https://woodgears.ca/joint_streng...thole.html

Strength of pocket holes varies greatly depending on where you apply pressure, too. https://thediyplan.com/how-strong...le-screws/

That said, I used pocket holes to build a floating media stand and they are holding up just fine. But for the price difference between this one and the Kreg at $29, buying the Kreg is an absolute no-brainer.
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So much "cheaper" is right.

Kreg is far from good... their hardware (clamps, screws, bits) are garbage. Their track and router items are both low quality, and overpriced by a mile. But their pocket hole jig is easy and worth it for a DIY'er.

With that said... best way to do pocket holes is to make your own pocket hole jig. There's tons of vids on youtube. I made a cool one from linear rods, brass bushings, and some HDPE I recycled. There's many ways to do it.
For certain, the various foot controlled pneumatic clamp builds appear to be the way to go for people that cannot justify buying the Kreg factory model. For one person operation, pneumatic makes life so much easier for longer and taller boards. I would not say Kreg's clamps and such are 'garbage,' but they are certainly pricey for what you get and welcome the competition.

A total novice with milling, it would be cool to duplicate the Kreg K4 or 5 in Aluminum.... something about the plastic does scream 'less than quality,' but they do work. If I ever get around to taking some night classes, that would be my first project.

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I could see that being true without some bonding agent but the pocket hole and fastener is only used to increase productivity. The strength of the joint comes from the glue. The screws just hold the pieces together while the glue cures. And when it sets the wood will fail before the glue does.
Are you saying you remove pocket hole screws after applying glue?
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Guess you're going to say Jesus & Santa aren't real next? Folks can't afford to second guess what they've already sank investments into - time or money
Ikr sunk cost fallacy type people. Imo pocket holes look ugly asf compared to regular screws. You only see the head with screws, but you see this giant long angled hole with pocket joinery.
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For pocket holes, glue doesn't significantly increase their strength like it does for dowels or mortise/tenon joints. https://woodgears.ca/joint_streng...thole.html

Strength of pocket holes varies greatly depending on where you apply pressure, too. https://thediyplan.com/how-strong...le-screws/

That said, I used pocket holes to build a floating media stand and they are holding up just fine. But for the price difference between this one and the Kreg at $29, buying the Kreg is an absolute no-brainer.
Good info. I think it's the same guy in the video I posted.
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For pocket holes, glue doesn't significantly increase their strength like it does for dowels or mortise/tenon joints. https://woodgears.ca/joint_streng...thole.html [woodgears.ca]

Strength of pocket holes varies greatly depending on where you apply pressure, too. https://thediyplan.com/how-strong...le-screws/ [thediyplan.com]

That said, I used pocket holes to build a floating media stand and they are holding up just fine. But for the price difference between this one and the Kreg at $29, buying the Kreg is an absolute no-brainer.
That guy sells really fancy mortise and tenon machines and hates pocket holes.

So he set up a "test" to try to prove how bad pocket holes are, but the test is completely unrealistic, uses pocket holes in a method that they weren't designed for and where no one in their right mind would ever use them.

At the end of the day, all he really showed was the low screw holding ability of the scrap dumpster wood that he chose to use for his "test".

When used properly, pocket holes are a fine method of joinery. When used improperly like Mathias did, they aren't.
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A total novice with milling, it would be cool to duplicate the Kreg K4 or 5 in Aluminum.... something about the plastic does scream 'less than quality,' but they do work. If I ever get around to taking some night classes, that would be my first project.
It isn't just plastic, it is a really strong and stable, highly fiberglass reinforced nylon. It's not low quality and there would be no benefit to making it out of metal except "cosmetics".
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I 3D printed a pocket hole jig and a few other jigs and all work decent. Especially when it only cost about $1 to print one. I can spend my hobby money on better power tools.
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That guy sells really fancy mortise and tenon machines and hates pocket holes.

So he set up a "test" to try to prove how bad pocket holes are, but the test is completely unrealistic, uses pocket holes in a method that they weren't designed for and where no one in their right mind would ever use them.

At the end of the day, all he really showed was the low screw holding ability of the scrap dumpster wood that he chose to use for his "test".

When used properly, pocket holes are a fine method of joinery. When used improperly like Mathias did, they aren't.
I wasn't aware he sold equipment, so thanks!

I don't hate pocket holes, his site is just one I came across when looking for whether glue was useful for them. It's almost a 50/50 split: some people swear by adding glue and others say don't bother with the potential mess—based on the other link, I'm more in the second camp, I think. Pocket holes are plenty strong for the way I've used them, and I don't intend to put 1300lbs on anything I would use them for.

I mostly referenced for the strength of adding glue to the various joints, but I guess a 10% increase in the weakest direction isn't insignificant, either.
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Yes, he invented and sells the "pantorouter" mortise and tenon machine. So yea, obviously he's got more than a little bias there.
https://pantorouter.com/
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I wasn't aware he sold equipment, so thanks!
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They're part of their business. I think SD also runs some shill bots for their affiliates. More people who get suckered and purchase products through their clickthrough affiliate links, the more money they get. They could care less what the offerings is. They're making money.
Most likely SD couldn't care less about these shills or the idea of running their own shill bots because there are so many better ways to make money off their product, us. Look at the number of individual people who can make a living off of affiliate marketing and "influence" peddling. Now scale that up by a factor of 12 million users every month. And, those are just the piece that's most visible elements. Think of the depth of information that SD has about their users product - stuff that we freely give, like frontpage preferences and deal alerts, and stuff that's passively collected, like which deal we view, which deals we visit, then add the huge payload of info from the phone apps. They're even pushing a desktop version of this information vacuum. There's just no need for SD to do anything that we users would ever see as being a shill because they have so many other, completely invisible, ways to manipulate us and we'd never even know about it.
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I could see that being true without some bonding agent but the pocket hole and fastener is only used to increase productivity. The strength of the joint comes from the glue. The screws just hold the pieces together while the glue cures. And when it sets the wood will fail before the glue does.
In and endgrain-to-sidegrain glue-up, the glue will fail before the wood. Sidegrain to sidegrain? Glue will win every day.
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It isn't just plastic, it is a really strong and stable, highly fiberglass reinforced nylon. It's not low quality and there would be no benefit to making it out of metal except "cosmetics".
Your 'opinion,' like other parts of the common anatomy everyone has, was noted and discarded. The personal "benefit" is often in the ability to do it; rather than just talk about it.

That said, 'Craftsmen' actually like to create/improve and build items that will last a generation or two with daily usage. For the Kreg, that includes putting the clamping mechanism on the user side like the Triton and others have done for taller and longer panels, stronger clamps easily updated to pneumatic, replaceable bronze bushings, etc. No matter how many times I tell them, while you can also see it in many professional videos, people want to start the drill long before the bit is even close to the wood. Ever tried replacing a Kreg bushing(s)? It is another throwaway tool.

Meanwhile, for most, almost every failure on modern tools has been from various 'plastics,' while the custom replacement in metal resolves the problem.
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I 3D printed a pocket hole jig and a few other jigs and all work decent. Especially when it only cost about $1 to print one. I can spend my hobby money on better power tools.
Thumbs up for trying, for doing, instead of just talking about it. Maybe the key is taking the best from prior designs and improving on that... Personally, I am lost with 3D printing and like many things we could be interested in, 'one life to live is just not enough.'
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For the Kreg, that includes putting the clamping mechanism on the user side like the Triton and others have done for taller and longer panels
Ya mean like the K5 that's been out for like 8yrs now?

Not saying Kreg is perfect, or couldn't be improved, and it's certainly not bargain priced, but at least get all the basics right.
I've always been told something is worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it, and considering how rarely their stuff goes on sale, they don't seem to be hurting for customers.

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