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16GB (2x 8) Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 4400 Desktop RAM kit @Newegg $115

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Always a good deal. Cheapest Samsung B-Die. Can do 4600 for Intel or 3800 CL14 for Ryzen @ 1.5v.

I have 2 kits since Nov last year. Well worth $125 I paid.
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Always a good deal. Cheapest Samsung B-Die. Can do 4600 for Intel or 3800 CL14 for Ryzen @ 1.5v.

I have 2 kits since Nov last year. Well worth $125 I paid.
Good B-die, but there have been cheaper from Gskill Xflare for $90, and frequently go onsale for $100, and currently are:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16...6820232530

That said, there might be some lower end bdie out there, for less.

I however am going to sell of my two kits of 32gb of bdie, and get the 32gb xflare kit, as my board and ryzen itself doesn't like four ram slots occupied, while overclocking the ram.
I it were just normal games, I wouldn't bother, but I really love playing certain cpu intensive games.
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The more DIMMs you have, the more it stresses the CPU memory controller.

While I did manage 3800 CL14 with 4 sticks of these, it took a few days of trail and error (not kidding). I had to really dail in the sub-timings to get it to boot. I don't suggest anyone try that for daily use. Its better just to get a 2x16GB kit @CL16 if thats the route you want to go.

Personally I think 16GB is still enough for games in 2020. Games only use 4-8GB. The rest is all the crap running in the background....close unused programs before playing....
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The more DIMMs you have, the more it stresses the CPU memory controller.

While I did manage 3800 CL14 with 4 sticks of these, it took a few days of trail and error (not kidding). I had to really dail in the sub-timings to get it to boot. I don't suggest anyone try that for daily use. Its better just to get a 2x16GB kit @CL16 if thats the route you want to go.

Personally I think 16GB is still enough for games in 2020. Games only use 4-8GB. The rest is all the crap running in the background....close unused programs before playing....
Thanks good advice. I'm going to actually wait until I get either a 5900x or 5800x, then buy and sell my old ram, and cheapo x470 board for a b550.
Hopefully though, I can get away with a lower end b550.
Its too early to know about how the new ryzen memory controllers work.
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The more DIMMs you have, the more it stresses the CPU memory controller.

While I did manage 3800 CL14 with 4 sticks of these, it took a few days of trail and error (not kidding). I had to really dail in the sub-timings to get it to boot. I don't suggest anyone try that for daily use. Its better just to get a 2x16GB kit @CL16 if thats the route you want to go.

Personally I think 16GB is still enough for games in 2020. Games only use 4-8GB. The rest is all the crap running in the background....close unused programs before playing....
Wow, and I'm trying to find a good 2x16GB deal so I leave two slots for expansion. Now you have me thinking I need to go 2x32 GB on day one. I use 16 GB on my laptop and figured 32 GB would be fine on my desktop AND I can play games time-to-time.

Is 2 vs 4 really that big of deal for games that I should worry about getting 2x32GB for a new build?
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Wow, and I'm trying to find a good 2x16GB deal so I leave two slots for expansion. Now you have me thinking I need to go 2x32 GB on day one. I use 16 GB on my laptop and figured 32 GB would be fine on my desktop AND I can play games time-to-time.

Is 2 vs 4 really that big of deal for games that I should worry about getting 2x32GB for a new build?
Dual channel CPUs won't benfit from 4 sticks. Its still dual channel, they are just daisy chained.

The only reason to fill up all the slots is if that is your only option to achieve the frequency and density you want.

You wont ever to be able to achieve the same super low timings with dual rank dimms. They have ICs on both sides. So if you want say 32GB 3800 CL14 it wont happen with 16GB sticks. But it also isnt practical either for the average user due to the difficulty spike when you daisy chain dimms.
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Dual channel CPUs won't benfit from 4 sticks. Its still dual channel, they are just daisy chained.

The only reason to fill up all the slots is if that is your only option to achieve the frequency and density you want.

You wont ever to be able to achieve the same super low timings with dual rank dimms. They have ICs on both sides. So if you want say 32GB 3800 CL14 it wont happen with 16GB sticks. But it also isnt practical either for the average user due to the difficulty spike when you daisy chain dimms.
Thank you, I went with the Patriot Viper Steel DDR4-3600 C18 (2x 32GB), it was mentioned as "Best Two-DIMM 64GB Kit" by Tom's Hardware (https://www.tomshardware.com/revi...,4057.html) and available at Amazon with FREE returns in case it doesn't work out. I feel that should get me the memory I need today (32GB), future-proof @ 64GB, and yet provide room for expansion if absolutely necessary (128GB).
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Thank you, I went with the Patriot Viper Steel DDR4-3600 C18 (2x 32GB), it was mentioned as "Best Two-DIMM 64GB Kit" by Tom's Hardware (https://www.tomshardware.com/revi...,4057.html [tomshardware.com]) and available at Amazon with FREE returns in case it doesn't work out. I feel that should get me the memory I need today (32GB), future-proof @ 64GB, and yet provide room for expansion if absolutely necessary (128GB).
Ram isn't meant to be bought as future proof imo. Buy what you need, by time that "future" hits you will be on a different motherboard that might not even take DDR4 and/or much cheaper.
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got this running 24/7 @ 3466 14-14-14-28 CR2 1.39v on Asrock z170 pro 4 motherboard & i7 6700K 4.7Ghz.

38ns latency on Aida64 (version 6.25.5400 build date 4/6/2020)
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Ram isn't meant to be bought as future proof imo. Buy what you need, by time that "future" hits you will be on a different motherboard that might not even take DDR4 and/or much cheaper.
I can't figure out why there would be 4 slots and comments to use only 2 for performance. But now I don't have much to worry about now and for quite a while with 64GB.
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Thank you, I went with the Patriot Viper Steel DDR4-3600 C18 (2x 32GB), it was mentioned as "Best Two-DIMM 64GB Kit" by Tom's Hardware (https://www.tomshardware.com/revi...,4057.html [tomshardware.com]) and available at Amazon with FREE returns in case it doesn't work out. I feel that should get me the memory I need today (32GB), future-proof @ 64GB, and yet provide room for expansion if absolutely necessary (128GB).
Future proof ram? DDR4 will be phased out in a year when DDR5 comes out. The future of DDR4 is at a crossroads. I would not be plunking mass amounts of money on DDR4 at this point. Get what you need to get buy now. And as mentioned higher density sticks will be harder to run at their rated speed and it only gets much worse as the number of sticks is upped.
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got this running 24/7 @ 3466 14-14-14-28 CR2 1.39v on Asrock z170 pro 4 motherboard & i7 6700K 4.7Ghz.

38ns latency on Aida64 (version 6.25.5400 build date 4/6/2020)
Timings look great but isn't that clock a little low from 4400.
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Timings look great but isn't that clock a little low from 4400.
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My skylake motherboard is 5 years old and can only do 3466. My only option is lowering the timings, perhaps 3466 with cl 13 or 12.
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Any reason to order the 4400 kit over the 4000 or 4133 kits? Planning on a Ryzen 5000 build, sounds like they benefit from 4000 RAM the most, so probably would be running them at that speed. Not sure if I could get tighter timings with the 4400 RAM, or if the difference isn't worth the extra $20.
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