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Item 8888881 Model STEL8000401

$15 per TB

Features:
Two Integrated High-speed USB 3.0 ports
Formatted for Windows Computers Out of the Box
Works with Windows and Mac Computers without Reformatting
Schedule an Automatic Backup Plan with Included Seagate Backup Software
Includes 2-month Membership to Adobe Creative Cloud Photography Plan

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Having been using cheaper available hdd years back and bought 6 seagate external. Which were SMR for running Secondary nas/container baremetal. You HAVE to disable APM on seagate. Nasty short time for parking the heads. Check your smartcl for rapid acceleration for heads parking Counts , if apm is enable.
I added a systemctl service to set. APM off during booting time.
And no failing for years ... going to 3 years running.
Great tip. Thanks. Are they actively cooled?

What's the temp range? Thank you
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Does not work with PlayStation since it's a hub. Thankfully Costco has a great return policy.
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A regular hard drive has it's data arranged like floor tiles, neat rows. If you update something, you just replace a tile to represent the update.

An SMR drive is for archive. It's data is arranged like roof tiles, they overlap so they can fit more data (or tiles) in the same physical space. If you update something, or in this analogy, replace a roof tile, you have to disturb it's neighbors. So this means there can be constant writing and rewriting if you use the hard drive for normal everyday usage. This will wear out the hard drive.

An SMR drive is meant to be for long term storage for data that doesn't need to be constantly updated. For example, a backup image of your system hard drive the day you got everything you need installed, photos, movies, basically, whatever can benefit from a 'read only' situation. It's also suggested to move data from an archive drive to a live, non smr hard drive, if you plan to manipulate it, like for editing, to preserve drive life. it would be annoying to catastrophic to lose 8tb of data.
I need something to backup about 3TB of images plus the new photos I shoot. I have a 4tb Seagate but it keeps disconnecting and reconnecting constantly which concerns me. Do you have a suggestion for best type left hooked up to a desktop via USB?
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Bought this drive last it was on sale at Costco and it stopped working after 3 weeks. Lol avoid
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Any experience with this drive for an xbox?
Yes I have two hooked to separate consoles and they work flawlessly
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Unfortunately, I have had reallllly bad luck with seagate hard drives. The company I was working for had purchased 1200 new desktops, within 3 years we had to replace every hard drive with SSD's. We had to work with the OEM and Seagate to identify the issue.

Seagate insisted to the OEM that a firmware patch would fix the issue... no go. All had to be swapped as they just randomly failed even after the firmware was updated.

In my personal pc's using consumer internal/external drives like this from seagate, I have had a high failure rate compared to WD.

I wish WD had some similar deals on this size drive. I will wait for the deals that are going to be coming up soon.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-e...Id=5792401 [bestbuy.com]
This deal is better - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-e...6425303​
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These newer SMR drives support TRIM which is a more efficient way to work with these types of drives. With that said, there needs to be some better OS support for SMR. They are really good backup/archive drives (write once, read many) as has been stated here.

See this thread on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoar...=post_body
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Seagate drives should operate in one place only: A RAID with a LOT of redundancy.
Even then, not a great idea. We've had to pay for data recovery with Seagate drives on RAID 6.

I've personally and at work lost at least 7 seagate drives in the last 15 years, and personally hear of friends who've sworn off Seagate due to their losses. I haven't heard of a single dying drive from another manufacturer in that same time period within my circle of friends. Before that, I've lost a Maxtor, two WDs, and a Seagate. We have 7 2TB+ external WDs, two of which we carry in the cars all the time, a Toshiba, a Hitachi, and a Seagate. All our older 1TB WDs are working great even after being decommissioned and given to friends and family. All the up to 20 years of IDE and even small-capacity SATA drives are working great, only one or two of which are Seagate. 1Tb-2Tb (I think) consumer-grade Seagates of circa 2005 were known to have high failure, and their enterprise 2Tb (Constellation) were horrible for us. Oh, wait, I've seen some dead laptop Seagate drives, as well as some Hitachi drives.

Costco is the only way I would buy this (have bought), with a spare backup. Almost 2 years of Plex server usage with no issues. 380gb of 6tb left.

TLDR; Seagate, in my first-hand and personal friends experience, is the suck. Have extra backups.
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Isn't this the same price they always have it at over the past couple years?
Yes, this price comes up often. Usually this time of year there's been an upgrade in size for this price. Last year it was 8tb, year before that was 6tb, year before that was 5tb.

Try to get a coupon and buy two plus a filler if the coupon is off $250. Use one as a backup of the backup or something, keeping the second offline. That's what I did with the 6tb. I think it was $25 off $200. Someone mentioned some $40 off $250 Groupon thing, not sure what that was.
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Anyone shucking this (or other external power supply drive) drive who is simply going to throw the enclosure away, and is in the Minneapolis area, I would be interested in picking up 1 or 2 of these enclosures FOR FREE to keep out of the landfill.

Offering no trade
Zero dollars
A full dollar less than $1

Hopefully that is now clear and complete while no longer being concise ;-)

Thanks much

Scott2armstrong at g m a i l.com
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I need something to backup about 3TB of images plus the new photos I shoot. I have a 4tb Seagate but it keeps disconnecting and reconnecting constantly which concerns me. Do you have a suggestion for best type left hooked up to a desktop via USB?
How important are these photos?

There is the 3, 2, 1 rule for data. 3 copies, 2 mediums, 1 offsite.

Important files should get uploaded to a cloud, amazon prime comes with unlimited photo storage for example at full resolution. Besides that, Google drive is safe, and there are deals for microsoft onedrive. A cloud copy is important because your place can always burn down or get robbed.

As for local backup, the current bestbuy 14tb deal seems pretty good, but I feel a bit wonky trusting a single hard drive with anything actually important. Im having trouble linking on mobile but you can find it by searching for 14tb in thr search bar and its the best buy deal for 200ish.

I suggest a NAS over a single drive. A network attached storage can mirror a drive so theres two copies.

Good luck.
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Great tip. Thanks. Are they actively cooled?

What's the temp range? Thank you
shuckled and move to lianli pc-q25 https://www.lian-li.com/pc-q25/

those HDDs are in my zfs poll :-)

snipped from one of them from smartctl tool:
...
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 062 050 045 Old_age Always - 38 (Min/Max 32/38)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 22
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 192
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 038 050 000 Old_age Always - 38 (0 18 0 0 0)
...

need to watch out on 193 (load cycle count),

averaging 4-45C when silvering (zfs) or intensive writting..


this is my systemd script and shell script:
[centos@homie system]$ cat disable-apm.service
[Unit]
Description=Disable APM / power-saving for all drives to reduce reload cycle
After=local-fs.target

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/disable_apm_all_drive.sh
ExecStop=/bin/echo "Disable apm stop"
TimeoutStartSec=0
Type=oneshot
TimeoutSec=0
RemainAfterExit=yes

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target


*hdparm tools must be installed*
[centos@homie system]$ cat /usr/sbin/disable_apm_all_drive.sh
#!/bin/bash
# Set to 255 ,default is 128, load_cycle is growing rapidly: head parking with in 15 seconds idle
for i in `ls /dev/sd?`; do echo "Disable APM for connected drive $i" >> /var/log/messages; hdparm -B255 $i >> /var/log/messages 2>&1; done


good luck!
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How can we non tech people know which drives are smr?
Very good resource if you know the model number of the drive inside the enclosure.
The HDD Platter Capacity Database
https://rml527.blogspot.com/

As a general rule considering newer drive models:
Seagate 2.5" & 3.5" drives are SMR, WDC varies
All 2.5" drives over 2TB are SMR
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shuckled and move to lianli pc-q25 https://www.lian-li.com/pc-q25/

those HDDs are in my zfs poll :-)

snipped from one of them from smartctl tool:
...
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 062 050 045 Old_age Always - 38 (Min/Max 32/38)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 22
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 192
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 038 050 000 Old_age Always - 38 (0 18 0 0 0)
...

need to watch out on 193 (load cycle count),

averaging 4-45C when silvering (zfs) or intensive writting..


this is my systemd script and shell script:
[centos@homie system]$ cat disable-apm.service
[Unit]
Description=Disable APM / power-saving for all drives to reduce reload cycle
After=local-fs.target

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/disable_apm_all_drive.sh
ExecStop=/bin/echo "Disable apm stop"
TimeoutStartSec=0
Type=oneshot
TimeoutSec=0
RemainAfterExit=yes

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target


*hdparm tools must be installed*
[centos@homie system]$ cat /usr/sbin/disable_apm_all_drive.sh
#!/bin/bash
# Set to 255 ,default is 128, load_cycle is growing rapidly: head parking with in 15 seconds idle
for i in `ls /dev/sd?`; do echo "Disable APM for connected drive $i" >> /var/log/messages; hdparm -B255 $i >> /var/log/messages 2>&1; done


good luck!
Awesome, repped!
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These are complete trash. I'm strongly warning you not to buy this. Had same model and lasted less than 4 years. Stick with WD and preferably a WD Black.
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