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Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic XL-III SAE 5W30 Motor Oil 5QT Jugs, Case of 3, 15QT Total, $53.67 after $10 rebate, at Amazon $63.67

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Ok, I know this is not the cheapest motor oil you can find, but this is something more specific. Namely, this oil meets the newer Mercedes Benz 229.52 specification. If you own a late model MB vehicle and want to do your own oil changes, you know that oil meeting this specification usually runs about $8-10 a quart. If you find it on sale, maybe $5 or $6 a quart. Well, this is about $4.25 a quart at the price Amazon sells it at. The three camels say this is the lowest price ever on Amazon. This is 15 quarts of oil in total. My car takes 9 quarts per oil change, so I bought two cases for 30 quarts total, covering 3 oil changes.

Plus, there is a $10 mail-in rebate for buying a 3-5QT case, you can download the form below:

https://www.autowares.com/doc/id/...469c3b0719

This brings the price to $3.58 a quart. Again, yes you can find cheaper 5W30 full synthetic oil, but this is something very specific to those who need it.

Just to add, this oil also meets VW 504 00 and 507 00, as well as Porsche C30 ratings.
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This is a great deal. Thank you
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With LSPI issues people not realizing their are ginea pigs that buying a new car is more an early adopter than ever before due to CAFE regulations then constant oil reformulations trying to keep up with engines pushed to eek every last % efficiency and budget oil makers trying to seal away market share for under informed consumers.

A mess like any other corporate driven politically executed deed, I'll stick with m1 for now I think.
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I don't care what certifications an oil has, you should never aim to spend more than $2-3 per quart on synthetic oil. Some of this is just marketing, I'm sure of it. Get on bitog if you want more in-depth information about which oil to use. But honestly any synthetic oil has been able to do 10-15k intervals for at least a decade now.
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With LSPI issues people not realizing their are ginea pigs that buying a new car is more an early adopter than ever before due to CAFE regulations then constant oil reformulations trying to keep up with engines pushed to eek every last % efficiency and budget oil makers trying to seal away market share for under informed consumers.

A mess like any other corporate driven politically executed deed, I'll stick with m1 for now I think.
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I don't care what certifications an oil has, you should never aim to spend more than $2-3 per quart on synthetic oil. Some of this is just marketing, I'm sure of it. Get on bitog if you want more in-depth information about which oil to use. But honestly any synthetic oil has been able to do 10-15k intervals for at least a decade now.
I am somewhat sympathetic to both of these two posters. I am an engineer by education and trade and know that a lot of times, the true reason for specification revisions may be minor, or something completely uninteresting to the end-user. Looking at 229.52 from Mercedes Benz, I believe it mostly has to do with improvements on fuel economy and emissions when used in diesel engines without a particulate filter.

That said, I usually would not second guess the engineers who provide their recommendations. We are not talking about snake oil speaker cables here, but motor oil, for which Mercedes Benz provides a very long list of approved brands and weights. Maybe there's marketing involved, but I would rather spend the extra few bucks per oil change just to be sure that if I ever need to file a warranty claim, I have the receipts showing that I bought the right oil.
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I am somewhat sympathetic to both of these two posters. I am an engineer by education and trade and know that a lot of times, the true reason for specification revisions may be minor, or something completely uninteresting to the end-user. Looking at 229.52 from Mercedes Benz, I believe it mostly has to do with improvements on fuel economy and emissions when used in diesel engines without a particulate filter.

That said, I usually would not second guess the engineers who provide their recommendations. We are not talking about snake oil speaker cables here, but motor oil, for which Mercedes Benz provides a very long list of approved brands and weights. Maybe there's marketing involved, but I would rather spend the extra few bucks per oil change just to be sure that if I ever need to file a warranty claim, I have the receipts showing that I bought the right oil.
I highly doubt any warranty claim would be down to oil alone, even if you used the incorrect oil. And good luck trying to prove any fault was indeed oil related. Even if extra engine wear occurs, you would be hard pressed to see any issues from it over the life of the car. please tell me if my thoughts are misguided
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I don't care what certifications an oil has, you should never aim to spend more than $2-3 per quart on synthetic oil. Some of this is just marketing, I'm sure of it. Get on bitog if you want more in-depth information about which oil to use. But honestly any synthetic oil has been able to do 10-15k intervals for at least a decade now.
Should I just ignore the oil life meter in my car? I've always done full synthetic and the oil life usually gets to 0% around 7-8K miles.
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Should I just ignore the oil life meter in my car? I've always done full synthetic and the oil life usually gets to 0% around 7-8K miles.
Did your car come with synthetic from the factory? Then follow the monitor. If it didn't, then you can definitely extend the interval. The monitor only estimates oil life based on driving habits. It doesn't actually measure the oil actively and it assumes you use whatever was originally used.
with an interval that low, I would assume you do a decent amount of local driving, stop and go, short trips, etc.
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I highly doubt any warranty claim would be down to oil alone, even if you used the incorrect oil. And good luck trying to prove any fault was indeed oil related. Even if extra engine wear occurs, you would be hard pressed to see any issues from it over the life of the car. please tell me if my thoughts are misguided
For many makers, any claim attempts where you can't prove you abided by their recommendations 100%, is just another reason for them to deny your claim.

It doesn't matter whether the oil was the problem, it just gives them an out.

Oil matters a lot more for newer direct injection, turbo, high displacement engines that use tricks to eek out every last hp vs. gas mileage. Especially in German makes using tons of mechanical/electronic gadgets that monitor everything (vanos.disa, etc.).

The effort you spend on getting the perfectly "right" oil should be proportional to the investment you made in purchasing said car and how you use your car (track use, spirited driving).

For everyone else, match the weigh/viscosity recommendation and get the cheapest reputable oil you can find. And by reputable, BobIsTheOilGuy would say even the cheapest Walmart/Costco brands are plenty good.
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I highly doubt any warranty claim would be down to oil alone, even if you used the incorrect oil. And good luck trying to prove any fault was indeed oil related. Even if extra engine wear occurs, you would be hard pressed to see any issues from it over the life of the car. please tell me if my thoughts are misguided
I spent years as an auto tech and can attest dealerships are always looking for reasons to not submit a warranty claim. If you don't have (i) documentation of (ii) service intervals performed with (iii) approved expendables (oil, coolant, etc) they can shoot you down, regardless of the he-said she-said of what is truly responsible for the failure. Dealerships have to get these warranty claims approved by car manufacturer (who never want to pay out), and the dealership (and technician) get paid less for these repairs than non-warranty repairs, so at every level (tech, dealer, manufacturer) there is a lack of motivation for warranty work. So yeah use the right fluids, keep documentation, cross those t's and dot those i's, at least until you are out of the warranty window. Then I'd go with the advice of a reputable independent Euro shop, they've got the experience to know what you can and can't get away with.
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if you own an euro car, you guys should check out fcpeuro. they give free lifetime warranty replacement on motor oil. Buy it one time and the rest will be free. You just have to send back the old oil.
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if you own an euro car, you guys should check out fcpeuro. they give free lifetime warranty replacement on motor oil. Buy it one time and the rest will be free. You just have to send back the old oil.
This is an interesting idea! However, shipping back 9 quarts of oil is going to be pretty expensive just on the shipping. I thought it's neat that they do it for filters, but of course, my car's filter isn't there and they mostly sell filters in 10 packs, unless your car is compatible with one of their oil+filter kits. But the kits themselves are pretty expensive for what they are, so you need to have done it at least twice to break even. Add on the fact that I typically keep my cars 3-4 years at the most... I don't know if I can get my money back.
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Will my american and japanese cars blow up if I use this oil? Thanks for your answers in advance.
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This is an interesting idea! However, shipping back 9 quarts of oil is going to be pretty expensive just on the shipping. I thought it's neat that they do it for filters, but of course, my car's filter isn't there and they mostly sell filters in 10 packs, unless your car is compatible with one of their oil+filter kits. But the kits themselves are pretty expensive for what they are, so you need to have done it at least twice to break even. Add on the fact that I typically keep my cars 3-4 years at the most... I don't know if I can get my money back.
I took this into consideration when I did this. Sourcing the oil and filter myself costs about $100. The kit that FCPEuro lists for my car is also $100. They actually include a new oil drain bolt as well but I have a fumoto on mine.

It costs me about $18 to ship back so it's definitely worth it for me.
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Will my american and japanese cars blow up if I use this oil? Thanks for your answers in advance.
They will be fine using this oil as it satisfies all of the normal service ratings as well. Check your manual, it will say what ratings the oil should have.
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