SVS 2000 Series Subwoofers: PC-2000 $750, SB-2000 EXPIRED

Quote from maheeinfy : Woofer break in also can be a factor here. I am in the same boat. My new PB2000 sounds underwhelming I am slowly burning it hoping it would be more active after 20 - 30 Hr mark (per svs) Edit: Also play with the phase, it could improve the amount of bass you feel at listening position

Sorry, but speakers always sound WORSE after "break in"!

lol. Just messing with you. Lol. Speaker break in is a myth. It's our ears/brain that "break in" and get used to, and begin to "like" the tone a sound transducer makes.

If speaker break-in was real, there were be LOTS and LOTS of actual data to prove it and it wouldn't be a debatable or a controversial subject.

"Audiophiles" claim break-in, like other things in audio-foolery can't be measured... only heard. They also like to cryogenically freeze their power cables, place little "magic" stones on their gear, and put tiny stands to hold their speaker wire off the floor, etc. I've even seen them adjust the tightness of the screws holding the covers on their electronic gear to "improve the sound".

There was a recent interview with the famous speaker designer Andrew Jones where he pretty much debunked the myth. What's funny about that is, speaker manufacturers generally don't really want to debunk the myth because if you listen to their speaker and you aren't impressed immediately, they want you to continue listening because they know there's a good chance your ears/brain will become accustomed to it and you'll accept it/like it. That interview gave me a a little more respect for an honest speaker designer.

Watch this and weep... https://youtu.be/Vw1B79LSXAo

Quote from MUCHO : You'll know when you're pushing your subwoofer too hard. Port chuffing or a clacking sound are signs you need to back off. Not hearing these things? Party on! Crank it up. You have a warranty so live a little friend.

Ditto on all that. Turn the thing up!

To those people who think their subwoofer is not putting out the correct output because it's less boomy, or they hear it less, I understand where you're coming from. I posted this on the other SVS thread.

Quote from MUCHO : These responses are entirely predictable. It happens to many people (including me) who hear a subwoofer with a flat frequency response for the first time. Many lesser subs have a large frequency bump in the 50-60 hz range because that is where you feel the bass slam in your chest. Good news? The PB2000 is capable of giving you plenty of slam. You're just not going to get it unless the recording (music or movie) calls for it. Assuming you have taken the time to place your subwoofer in a good spot and properly calibrated and set up your subwoofer, you'll get the slam when you're supposed to. That being said, you may decide you like to run your subwoofer hot. After you've calibrated it you add 2-3 dB. They're pretty hard to break so crank it up all you want.

Quote from MUCHO : To those people who think their subwoofer is not putting out the correct output because it's less boomy, or they hear it less, I understand where you're coming from. I posted this on the other SVS thread.

Or the EQ is simply flattening out the peaks from room gain which could be 30dB Higher than other frequencies. That's why you can and should add a house curve using REW and miniDSP after you flatten the response

Quote from MUCHO : To those people who think their subwoofer is not putting out the correct output because it's less boomy, or they hear it less, I understand where you're coming from. I posted this on the other SVS thread.

Well said. I've had to go back and forth with clients many times on this subject. My usual approach is to do calibration (most often Audyssey because I prefer Marantz) and then boost the sub a few clicks (by ear, using recordings I'm very familiar with). The back and forth starts when clients sometimes ask why there isn't more boom. I try to educate them to some extent -- at least making them aware that there is reasoning behind it, and reassure them that in time their ears will become attuned to better sound. But I still usually end up turning the sub up a few more notches to make them happy.

A test for speaker break-in which only measures FR is not including all factors that are at play.

It's not taking into account other factors like impulse response.

And I don't think 24 hours is enough break-in time to demonstrate the difference that happens over weeks.

Further, the break-in sound was just white noise, which is nothing like music.

Quote from macpro : A test for speaker break-in which only measures FR is not including all factors that are at play. It's not taking into account other factors like impulse response. And I don't think 24 hours is enough break-in time to demonstrate the difference that happens over weeks. Further, the break-in sound was just white noise, which is nothing like music.

Lol. Excuses, excuses. Tell Andrew Jones. I think you know more about speakers than he does. Haha!! 😂😂😂

Ok..there's no doubt speaker break-in is real because of ALL the data that proves it, right? So show it to us. Convince us.

https://youtu.be/PBAeEpkYfzU

Quote from JimBanville : Lol. Excuses, excuses. Tell Andrew Jones. I think you know more about speakers than he does. Haha!! 😂😂😂 Ok..there's no doubt speaker break-in is real because of ALL the data that proves it, right? So show it to us. Convince us. https://youtu.be/PBAeEpkYfzU

Are you guys in it for another round? Seriously?

Quote from kevindd992002 : Are you guys in it for another round? Seriously?

I apologize. It just irks me when people perpetuate audio myths. Lol.

I have the "pro" model (pc-2000 pro), and for all the money, it doesn't seem worth it vs one of their $500 12" subs, just my .02.

I'm running it as LFE and still have my SB-2000 for stereo, need to sell one and it would probably be the PC-2000.

Obviously nice to have the lower low's but only if you have the money and the space for this beast.

Quote from PDSway : I have the "pro" model (pc-2000 pro), and for all the money, it doesn't seem worth it vs one of their $500 12" subs, just my .02. I'm running it as LFE and still have my SB-2000 for stereo, need to sell one and it would probably be the PC-2000. Obviously nice to have the lower low's but only if you have the money and the space for this beast.

Thanks for sharing. That speaks to the performance of SVS's non-"Pro" subs. They're still awesome in comparison

I haven't yet personally installed / used a Pro series sub (just non-Pro), so this is good to know.