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Optoma UHD30 True 4K UHD Gaming Projector | 16ms Response Time with Enhanced Gaming Mode | Lowest Input Lag on 4K Projector | 240Hz Refresh Rate | HDR10 & HLG: Electron $1100

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I have this projector, upgraded from an old HD20. The picture is gorgeous and smooth. A very nice level of brightness that can support some ambient light. Operating noise is very low. At the price point it is a great projector.

What I don't like: very long time to switch sources as well as picture settings, there is a light border around the image, only a single HDMI 2.0 port. Sometimes the remote or projector gets in a loop of displaying/hiding the menu. I will also be looking to RMA. My unit has started to yellow around the edge of the image pretty bad like something has burned up.
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Cheapest native 4k projectors new are about 5 grand and up, with Sony being the entry point there I believe.

There's really extremely little sharpness difference between the DLP 1080p x 4 pixel shifted 4k projectors and those native 4k projectors though at normal seating distance. You would only start to notice a difference very up close in sharpness between the 2.

Having seen a lot of the different technologies for resolution being implemented I'd say this:

- 1080p is 1080p, there used to be a time not that long ago where this was a great improvement over all the 720p projectors out there. I've got a Benq HT2050 1080p projector in my basement theatre and it's served me so well for years now at 120" at about 12 feet seating distance and throws out 2.07 million pixels...I will say though:

- Epson 1080p x 2 pixel shift for 4.15 million pixels (they call it "4k enhancement", it's not 4k due to being half the pixels required though), is a noticeable improvement sharpness wise over native 1080p non pixel shifted projectors, you can absolutely see the improvement sharpness wise, but then...

- All the DLP 1080p x 4 pixel shift (.47") projectors including the 1528p x 2 pixel shift projectors (.66") that throw out a true 8.3 million pixels for 4k resolution are a smaller step up from the Epson units sharpness wise than Epson vs. 1080p but an even MORE noticeable bump up in sharpness from the native 1080p units than the Epsons are. These things are very very sharp when you look at native 1080p and them in a similar situation. Especially on larger screens or if you sit closer.

- Native 4k projectors like the Sonys and JVC send out the same 8.3 million pixels as the pixel shifters above I mentioned, but natively. I honestly have a very hard time noticing any real difference in real world settings (normal seating distance) in the sharpness between these and the pixel shifters that also throw out 8.3 million pixels. The pixel shifters do an excellent job into "fooling" you into believing it's a native 4k image fro ma sharpness perspective. If you get up close, you can notice a difference in the "fine print" if you will, but again, in normal conditions you just wont notice much a difference. Now obviously those Sony and JVC units are on another level with things like contrast, black levels, color, etc...over these $1000-$3000 pixel shift projectors, and that's why they cost 5 grand and up.
Very good analysis and comment! If anyone wants a native 4k projector for less than $5k, here is a refurbished Optoma UHZ65 for $2700 + $450 for 2-year SquareTrade warranty (highly recommended), which came out to $3150 + tax. Mind you that this is a refurbished and 2 year-old technology, and is $4500 new.

https://www.buydig.com/shop/produ...EFURBISHED
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Very good analysis and comment! If anyone wants a native 4k projector for less than $5k, here is a refurbished Optoma UHZ65 for $2700 + $450 for 2-year SquareTrade warranty (highly recommended), which came out to $3150 + tax. Mind you that this is a refurbished and 2 year-old technology, and is $4500 new.

https://www.buydig.com/shop/produ...EFURBISHED
The UHZ65 also uses pixel shift...but only twice compared to four times... native resolution is 2716x1528x2
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I think people that trounce on pixel shifters don't realize that they are in fact showing the required 8.3 million pixels every 1/60th of a second. At a normal viewing distance of 1' per 10" no normal human is going to be able to detect the difference between native 4k and these newer pixel shifters.

This excludes the Epson like you said. There is a noticeable difference between the 4.15m pixels the Epson throws up and the 8.3m the DLPs can do. Although, the Epson's usually have better contrast ratios which can assist in perceived sharpness and clarity. That kinda goes out the window if you're watching these with a lot of ambient light though. If that's the case then you'd probably want the sharpest and brightest projector.
Are all the Epson's like this?
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The UHZ65 also uses pixel shift...but only twice compared to four times... native resolution is 2716x1528x2
Hmmm... You are right. The Buydig website says that it's a native 4k projector. My bad!
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Hmmm... You are right. The Buydig website says that it's a native 4k projector. My bad!
Many sites say so - I only stumbled over it the other day when I started to research the chipsets behind the tech.
Kinda sad that even the latest entrants (Bomaker Polaris) seem to use a chipset of the same older generation.
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Are all the Epson's like this?
Yup.
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Is there a reason you prefer your devices connected directly to the projector? This makes sense for casual portable viewing, but I think most people tend to use the projector as a recipient of (HDMI) signal, with a receiver handling the input switching and all audio output with no projector involvement.
The first is to avoid any delay that comes from the receiver even in pass through mode.

The second being that I want to keep a quality receiver that has older HDMI ports but see the higher resolutions and things like HDR.

It's fairly common on TVs to use ARC/eARC so that your per input settings are saved and you have one less link when it comes to ensure DV is working, HDR is activated, etc.

It looks like some higher/mid tier units have it.

I just want that for my affordable projector too - and CEC control while I am asking Wink

Right now I am better off buying a HDMI 2.0/2.1 compliant receiver.
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Strongly suggest you call the company to find out how much it costs to buy a replacement bulb.

I have a Optoma HD141X Projector. It's a lower model than this one. My 1st bulb blew after about 50 hours (supposed to last 5,000 hours). We only use the projector once a week to watch one movie. They 'only' charged me 1/2 price and that was over $100 with tax and shipping.

Second one blew after about 350 hours. Better but no where near the claimed time. And when I say 'blew' I meant it! It literally shattered inside the projector with a loud POP! Had to shake the broken glass out. Crazy but from what I hear it is not uncommon with projectors.

For this new bulb I was charged full price which was about $200.

They also really encourage you to buy their brand bulbs. There is no where else to buy them other than from the company directly. It might be the printer ink business model. in other words, they make most profits from selling the bulbs.

Anyone else is selling off brand bulbs which the company warns might have less light or 'off' colors. Even so, I bought a bulb that fits from eBay. Despite the picture and description being on-point, they sent me a completely different bulb that I had to return. So it's a crapshoot. Will try again with eBay but it's not straight forward.
$200 is cheap for an authentic bulb. Quality OEM lamps generally last several thousand hours.
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Finheaven3Have you heard any news about the Viewsonic release date? Been hearing the specs on this new projector are worth waiting for.
I would say the next couple of weeks, but this is pure speculation based off of looking at seller listings on Amazon showing shipping them and arrival the beginning of February. Also ​If you look here https://newatlas.com/home-enterta...projector/ They talk about the PX701-4K going on sale this month, and they indicate that the next version up PX748-4K is coming in March with "more info closer to release date" These make it seem like it will be soon, but it's all speculation by me.

I have preordered one as I need a solution for my family room in the basement, and this looks like it will fit the need. I'll try and remember to come back and post here when it ships. (bought it from BHphoto)
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I would say the next couple of weeks, but this is pure speculation based off of looking at seller listings on Amazon showing shipping them and arrival the beginning of February. Also ​If you look here https://newatlas.com/home-enterta...projector/ They talk about the PX701-4K going on sale this month, and they indicate that the next version up PX748-4K is coming in March with "more info closer to release date" These make it seem like it will be soon, but it's all speculation by me.

I have preordered one as I need a solution for my family room in the basement, and this looks like it will fit the need. I'll try and remember to come back and post here when it ships. (bought it from BHphoto)
It is available through Amazon to get it by next week.
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It is available through Amazon to get it by next week.
I am pretty sure that wasn't there 2 days ago.. I had found 4-5 other listings that were Not prime listings. So they must have gotten a batch in.. and I just cancelled my BHphoto order and bought the last one on Amazon. EDIT Interesting.... It said 1 left when I ordered it (Which is why I said I got the last one), and I placed my order, and now it says 2 left??? WTF!!
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I am pretty sure that wasn't there 2 days ago.. I had found 4-5 other listings that were Not prime listings. So they must have gotten a batch in.. and I just cancelled my BHphoto order and bought the last one on Amazon. EDIT Interesting.... It said 1 left when I ordered it (Which is why I said I got the last one), and I placed my order, and now it says 2 left??? WTF!!
Mine is just shipped
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If you enable gaming mode you lose keystone correction ability. So you either have to choose between having the projector exactly perpendicular to the screen or high latency. perpendicular to the screen or high latency.
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I need to read up on my projector tech - I'm the guy who pays for the toys here, doesn't get to play with them.

I'm going to be picking up a PS5 for my sons eventually - and currently have an Optoma H181X, which is 720P and I'm sure a good bit slower. Will this due for a PS5, and is it a significant enough upgrade from the 181x that warrants the spend?
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