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A show of hands from the people that think a speaker's spec's have NO BEARING on how they will sound?

No one?? >crickets<

A show of hands from the people that think a speaker's spec's are THE ONLY determining factor on how they will sound?

No one?? >crickets<

A show of hands from the people that think a speaker's spec's might give them an idea of how a speaker might sound, such as if they showed a tilted up treble or a bass response that starts to roll off in the lower midrange/upper bass?

Ok. I see a few hands.

A show of hands from the people that think any speaker that gets good overall reviews will undoubtedly sound good to them?

No one?? >crickets<

A show of hands from the people that think any speaker that gets poor overall reviews will undoubtedly sound poor to them?

No one?? Wait...I see a couple hands. Lol.
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That's a good question, what are the odds you do find a "review" with exactly the "same" as yours?
Wouldn't that apply to "blind test" also?

Besides that how about the science/"measurements" that say good or bad, how do you determine which applies to your "room acoustics" ?
Do you have like a handbook of when I should trust a review and not? It's getting really confusing. Wirecutter = bad. Anecdotal review from a Super Rob on Slickdeals = good. Magazines = good. Blind test sometimes good and sometimes bad. Measurments = good, wait no he used quotes, so bad. I'm getting dizzy.
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Do you have like a handbook of when I should trust a review and not? It's getting really confusing. Wirecutter = bad. Anecdotal review from a Super Rob on Slickdeals = good. Magazines = good. Blind test sometimes good and sometimes bad. Measurments = good, wait no he used quotes, so bad. I'm getting dizzy.
LOL I think you are pointing the finger at the wrong person, you should be looking in the mirror!

You were the one defending what you "read" on wirecutter, measurements, reviews and opinions, all I did was point out the issues with that(IMO).

Now that I pointed to what all that "reading" tells you, you now have a problem with it ! 😳 🤪

I will be honest common sense dictates you would come to this conclusion/crossroads, kinda my point 😎

As my stance/opinion has ALWAYS been, if you bypass all that "reading" and just go by what YOU hear, you won't be "dizzy","confused","wrong"!

If that sounds crazy or ridiculous I'm ok with that, good luck with all the "reading", knock yourself out! 👍🏻
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LOL I think you are pointing the finger at the wrong person, you should be looking in the mirror!

You were the one defending what you "read" on wirecutter, measurements, reviews and opinions, all I did was point out the issues with that(IMO).

Now that I pointed to what all that "reading" tells you, you now have a problem with it ! 😳 🤪

I will be honest common sense dictates you would come to this conclusion/crossroads, kinda my point 😎

As my stance/opinion has ALWAYS been, if you bypass all that "reading" and just go by what YOU hear, you won't be "dizzy","confused","wrong"!

If that sounds crazy or ridiculous I'm ok with that, good luck with all the "reading", knock yourself out! 👍🏻
Did you forget the point where you validated the Infinity purchase with reviews?

You seem to be missing the point that I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision. You seem to do the same when defending yourself or some product.

The issue arises when you automatically discard one of the above or have so much bias that you can't accept a positive review of something YOU don't like. The other issue is recommending products that are 3-4x the cost of the product being discussed.

Please take note of the amount of downvotes you get on your comments. Whether you think they are deserved are not isn't important. But, your opinion isn't valued around here. Go away.
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Man I have 7 Infinity speakers and 1 Klipisch Sub with a Denon head and think they sound terrible
denon / klipsch is a very common setup for entry level users. having said that not a fan of either brand and find them very over-rated. there are many better products.
Quote from MikeyFSU :
I agree that the speaker ratings for hz are practically useless. However, I have one refinement: what matters is flat response down to the point where you crossover to a subwoofer, whether that's 120, 100, 80, etc.

Also, a lot of people would be surprised at how well their speakers perform without a subwoofer, especially when it comes to most music.
for music less of an impact, but these systems are predominantly bought for home theater use and once you hear what your are missing when you can't reproduce good low end bass you will want to upgrade to a quality sub.


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Comparison between jbl studio 580 vs infinity reference 263? Has anyone heard both of them?

the infinity is a better choice overall, but there are still better products out there.


Quote from Dealfinder2012 :
i bought the s809 and tbe sound good but I think they are missing some mkds and highs .. Im wonderingif i should return and buy the R253 at least
these would be a big upgrade over those jamos.


Quote from mrdjman :
I'm always amused they way these speaker deal threads go down the rabbit hole of 'my opinion of sound is more accurate than yours'...fun reading... I'll throw my two cents in the ring - I cross my speakers over at about 10 Hz above each one's lowest range setting. Seems to have worked for me....

provided your LCR sound stage are your best speakers (They should be), then that is the right choice. let your best speakers do as much of the carrying as they can.


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Well, after seeing these pop up over and over and everyone keeps singing their praises I finally pulled the trigger on the R163s as a possible replacement to my B&W 602 S3s. Let's see how some $160 Infinity's compare to 20 year old B&Ws in my theater. I'd like the center too but it sold out.

The fun thing is if they match the B&Ws I can sell the B&Ws and make some money.
get ready for some serious disappointment with the recent purchase.
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Why should I listen to reviewers that don't have the same room acoustics to me?
Iagree room acoustics do play a valuable role in how your system will sound and is taken for granted by many users. speaker placement is a critical factor (Most people put them in one place and never more or experiment with repositioning them) and many people don't even bother with any room treatments like acoustic panels.
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Do you have like a handbook of when I should trust a review and not? It's getting really confusing. Wirecutter = bad. Anecdotal review from a Super Rob on Slickdeals = good. Magazines = good. Blind test sometimes good and sometimes bad. Measurments = good, wait no he used quotes, so bad. I'm getting dizzy.
plenty of users on here with zero real world experience. if all their posts are downvoted and they have a low rep score(Never actually helping SD members) be very careful about taking any advice from them. lots of folks here just like to hear themselves talk.
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denon / klipsch is a very common setup for entry level users. having said that not a fan of either brand and find them very over-rated. there are many better products.

for music less of an impact, but these systems are predominantly bought for home theater use and once you hear what your are missing when you can't reproduce good low end bass you will want to upgrade to a quality sub.





the infinity is a better choice overall, but there are still better products out there.



these would be a big upgrade over those jamos.





provided your LCR sound stage are your best speakers (They should be), then that is the right choice. let your best speakers do as much of the carrying as they can.




get ready for some serious disappointment with the recent purchase.

https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...es2/iagree.gif room acoustics do play a valuable role in how your system will sound and is taken for granted by many users. speaker placement is a critical factor (Most people put them in one place and never more or experiment with repositioning them) and many people don't even bother with any room treatments like acoustic panels.

plenty of users on here with zero real world experience. if all their posts are downvoted and they have a low rep score(Never actually helping SD members) be very careful about taking any advice from them. lots of folks here just like to hear themselves talk.
I don't think you have the context of what I was talking about with Mr Super. He has been oscillating between telling me I should listen to reviews/others online and not listen to anyone. He refuses to admit that measurements can be impactful to a speaker/subwoofer purchase. He seems to think his ears are good enough to give others advice but other's at places like the Wirecutter are somehow different than his.
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I also plan on upgrading my sub, but I'm looking at something beefier than an R12
You should check out the Monolith by Monoprice 10in THX [harmanaudio.com] sub, or the ported SVS subs [svsound.com], both of which start at $500 and can reach down to 18Hz. Or if you can spend a bit more, the HSU Research VTF-2 MK5 [hsuresearch.com] can hit 16Hz.
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Did you forget the point where you validated the Infinity purchase with reviews?

You seem to be missing the point that I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision. You seem to do the same when defending yourself or some product.

The issue arises when you automatically discard one of the above or have so much bias that you can't accept a positive review of something YOU don't like. The other issue is recommending products that are 3-4x the cost of the product being discussed.

Please take note of the amount of downvotes you get on your comments. Whether you think they are deserved are not isn't important. But, your opinion isn't valued around here. Go away.
LOL I get into these debates with people like you that can't comprehend & make up Sh*t to cover up your contradictions! 🙄

Where did I "validate" anything, I just regurgitated what apparently you "read" and believe.
If anything you did the validating by buying these speakers because as you said "I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision" BUT then say
"Why should I listen to reviewers that don't have the same room acoustics to me?" 🙄

So how many of those people that "keeps singing their praises" had your exact "room acoustics"? 🤔

Those same "measurements" you keep defending say your 20 year old B&W speakers are terribly designed and terrible sounding!

If you don't believe me ask your pals modenacart & cujobob ask them what they think of B&W since you value "measurements" 🤔

What you don't like is I do my own listening and that's how I make my choice. When it doesn't follow those "positive reviews" "measurements" you keep reading you get all butt hurt 🥲

Hey if you want to choose speakers based on what someone else thinks, have at it, it's your money.

Just because I choose to trust my own ears(and tell everyone to do the same) and a few of you get offended, I would suggest buying some cheese 😜

Ask me if I care about votes or whether you get offended 😎
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Yes they will..... didn't you know that "measurements" and "spreadsheets" say that the B&W brand "sound" is terrible/bad !!!!! 😳

These do "measure" well so you are good!

Im sorry but you have been listening to terrible "sound" for the last 20 years !!!😳
I certainly wouldn't go saying this in public. Do you have any links to the "measurements" and "spreadsheets" that say B&W sound is terrible / bad? I have a stereo setup with a pair of B&W 804s and they sound pretty amazing to me...I also own the R263's and tried them in stereo and they definitely needed a sub and didn't really even compare to the B&W's. I ended up adding the R12 sub, RC263 and a pair of RS152's for a 5.1 set up for our home theater and have not been disappointed.
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LOL I get into these debates with people like you that can't comprehend & make up Sh*t to cover up your contradictions! 🙄

Where did I "validate" anything, I just regurgitated what apparently you "read" and believe.
If anything you did the validating by buying these speakers because as you said "I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision" BUT then say
"Why should I listen to reviewers that don't have the same room acoustics to me?" 🙄

So how many of those people that "keeps singing their praises" had your exact "room acoustics"? 🤔

Those same "measurements" you keep defending say your 20 year old B&W speakers are terribly designed and terrible sounding!

If you don't believe me ask your pals modenacart & cujobob ask them what they think of B&W since you value "measurements" 🤔

What you don't like is I do my own listening and that's how I make my choice. When it doesn't follow those "positive reviews" "measurements" you keep reading you get all butt hurt 🥲

Hey if you want to choose speakers based on what someone else thinks, have at it, it's your money.

Just because I choose to trust my own ears(and tell everyone to do the same) and a few of you get offended, I would suggest buying some cheese 😜

Ask me if I care about votes or whether you get offended 😎
"Why should I listen to reviewers that don't have the same room acoustics to me?" Sorry, you didn't get that was sarcasm.

Did you also miss where I said this:
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You seem to be missing the point that I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision.
I've made this point from the beginning but you ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative that I'm just a measurement and review guy.

You act like I don't listen to my ears when in this thread and the previous Klipsch thread I said that one's own ears and room are an essential part of making a decision.

Let's repeat it since you seem to be frantically replying with your next deep cut instead of actually reading and comprehending: I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision.

What's preposterous is that you degrade other's opinions on the same basis that you validate your own.

I picked my B&Ws after hearing modern B&W 6 series speakers and liking their sound signature. I read some old reviews on them and they seemed well liked when they came out. I then found a pair on Craigslist and tested them in person. I was pleased with the improved sound compared to the Polk Monitor 70s they replaced and the Def Tech towers I sampled in my house. All of these made it into my house based on reviews. But I made the final pick based upon my ears. Not rocket science here.

Riddle me this: if a person is looking for a home theater subwoofer and wants frequency response below 15hz. How would you select a few for them to pick from?

To be clear, I'm not offended. I'm shocked you are so self absorbed. 8.6.1
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I don't think you have the context of what I was talking about with Mr Super. He has been oscillating between telling me I should listen to reviews/others online and not listen to anyone. He refuses to admit that measurements can be impactful to a speaker/subwoofer purchase. He seems to think his ears are good enough to give others advice but other's at places like the Wirecutter are somehow different than his.
Here is a perfect example of how these people make up sh*t to fit there narrative.

So Wirecutter compared subs and came to a conclusion which one they liked.
I did my own comparisons within a home(s) of many of them and my conclusion were different.

Pinhead here then says that means "I'm" telling everyone take my advice over Wirecutter or anyone else's 🙄.

He even goes on to tell me I "put more weight on your own experience".....DUH! 🙄

This happens EVERY time, you have people on both sides of the fence.
Is that not the WHOLE purpose of auditioning things, to get your "own experience"!!! 😳

The audacity that my "ears" compared to "Wirecutter are somehow different" than their "ears"(conclusion) 🙄

If you notice he keeps highlighting "measurements" in his argument.

But "measurements aren't everything", apparently they can be very "impactful" if you choose to let them be! 😜
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"Why should I listen to reviewers that don't have the same room acoustics to me?" Sorry, you didn't get that was sarcasm.

Did you also miss where I said this:


I've made this point from the beginning but you ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative that I'm just a measurement and review guy.

You act like I don't listen to my ears when in this thread and the previous Klipsch thread I said that one's own ears and room are an essential part of making a decision.

Let's repeat it since you seem to be frantically replying with your next deep cut instead of actually reading and comprehending: I take in reviews, measurements, and personal experience when making a decision.

What's preposterous is that you degrade other's opinions on the same basis that you validate your own.

I picked my B&Ws after hearing modern B&W 6 series speakers and liking their sound signature. I read some old reviews on them and they seemed well liked when they came out. I then found a pair on Craigslist and tested them in person. I was pleased with the improved sound compared to the Polk Monitor 70s they replaced and the Def Tech towers I sampled in my house. All of these made it into my house based on reviews. But I made the final pick based upon my ears. Not rocket science here.

Riddle me this: if a person is looking for a home theater subwoofer and wants frequency response below 15hz. How would you select a few for them to pick from?

To be clear, I'm not offended. I'm shocked you are so self absorbed. 8.6.1
LOL talk about not comprehending. PLEASE show me where I "degrade other's opinions"?

Since now you highlighted "personal experience" and not "measurements", who's "personal experience" did you go by in buying these Infinity speakers and why?

Funny how you get to do all that and in the end you "made the final pick based upon my ears", as I pointed out your conclusion goes against the "science" and their "measurements" but its ok for you to do that! 🤔

Yet when I do that I'm "degrading" someone's opinion! 🙄

As far as your EXTREMELY broad riddle, I'll have to answer it under two different hats since you weren't specific, I'm not afraid of questions.

If I HAD to pick a sub based on that ONE factor(of many).
I've listened to many many subs and my preference is the "sound" of SVS subs, I would stick to them.

Now if you mean "I" being the average person on here.

There are so MANY gaps here!

So if I knew I was specifically looking at 15Hz means I know what that means, I would know my options are limited.

I would go listen to what is available in my area to find out what I like and don't like in the sound.

If I really liked one I heard, I would find the best price and I'm done.

If it wasn't then I would use that and see if I could find personal comparisons of people that didn't like the same and see if someone describes something they heard from something else that catches my interest.
Gamble on two and "hear" what I think.
If I like one I'm done, if not do it all over again.
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Here is a perfect example of how these people make up sh*t to fit there narrative.

So Wirecutter compared subs and came to a conclusion which one they liked.
I did my own comparisons within a home(s) of many of them and my conclusion were different.

Pinhead here then says that means "I'm" telling everyone take my advice over Wirecutter or anyone else's 🙄.

He even goes on to tell me I "put more weight on your own experience".....DUH! 🙄

This happens EVERY time, you have people on both sides of the fence.
Is that not the WHOLE purpose of auditioning things, to get your "own experience"!!! 😳

The audacity that my "ears" compared to "Wirecutter are somehow different" than their "ears"(conclusion) 🙄

If you notice he keeps highlighting "measurements" in his argument.

But "measurements aren't everything", apparently they can be very "impactful" if you choose to let them be! 😜
You clearly like to hear yourself type. I'm done. I think I made my points loud and clear and feel good resting my case. This has become extremely pointless and not helpful to anyone reading this thread. I will no longer be engaging with you, here, or on any thread.
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You clearly like to hear yourself type. I'm done. I think I made my points loud and clear and feel good resting my case. This has become extremely pointless and not helpful to anyone reading this thread. I will no longer be engaging with you, here, or on any thread.
" Sounds" good to me 👍🏻
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I certainly wouldn't go saying this in public. Do you have any links to the "measurements" and "spreadsheets" that say B&W sound is terrible / bad? I have a stereo setup with a pair of B&W 804s and they sound pretty amazing to me...I also own the R263's and tried them in stereo and they definitely needed a sub and didn't really even compare to the B&W's. I ended up adding the R12 sub, RC263 and a pair of RS152's for a 5.1 set up for our home theater and have not been disappointed.
Technically I'm not, just regurgitating what people like "modenacart" and cujobob profess because of "science" and "measurements".

They will tell you science says they are a terrible brand and your a fool and an idiot if you like the way they sound.
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