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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/6MP/8MP/4K) POE Network Video Recorder (Hard Drive NOT Included) $136

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Don't let the boys at IP-Cam-Talk lead you to believe Blue Iris is the only solution you need (as it appears they work for Blue Iris).

Had good luck so far with this NVR using 3rd party cameras.

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1) Hard Drive Not Included
2) If you plan on using non-Amcrest cameras, would recommend getting an external POE switch or injector to configure your 3rd party camera (setting up camera settings/resolution and "10.1.1.x" IP and subnet/etc ) then connect to the Amcrest and manually configure it under "Customirzed" camera.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0743WP62Q

Amcrest's NV4108E-HS 8CH POE NVR supports hard drives up to 6 Terabytes, while Featuring 8CH Recording, Playback & Live View in Up to 8MP/4K Resolution @ Real-Time 30fps.
Advanced H.265 compression technology lets you save on storage space which allows for longer recording times. H.265 technology compresses your video without sacrificing any of the UltraHD video quality. Intelligent search, playback, and backup functions provide enhanced ease of use and security (for example, motion detection event and exact search functions that are accurate to one second).
Plug & Play setup, Easy to configure, access and control. Scan QR Code on POE NVR from "Amcrest View" app to instantly access live viewing and playback. Connects to and manages all the POE IP cameras on your network directly through their ethernet cables for ultimate ease and convenience in a home security system.
Max 80Mbps Incoming Bandwidth, records 7 cameras @ 4K using H.264. Records 8 cameras @ 4K by changing default settings from H.264 to H.265 and adjusting bit rate to 1792 on each camera for maximum optimization. Conveniently packaged with extras such as USB mouse, network cable, and quick start guide.
Includes USB backup feature for peace of mind. All systems CE & FCC certified with UL compliant power supplies. Guaranteed for a Full Year from purchase with US Support and US Warranty offered exclusively by Amcrest.
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Model: Amcrest NV4108E-A2 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/8MP) POE Network Video Recorder - Supports up to 8 x 8MP/4K IP Cameras, 8-Channel Power Over Ethernet Supports up to 10TB HDD (Not Included)

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03-01-2021 at 08:42 AM.
03-01-2021 at 08:42 AM.
Quote from ThanksDude :
If you don't need all the features of BI and can get by with this NVR, then you may have wasted some $$$ on both initial setup and on going power consumption costs.

I'd be concerned if you were coerced by all the BI "advocates" (sales folks) into getting BI.
You sound more like a shill for Amcrest by far lmao.

Side note, what are some good software solutions besides BI? Genuinely curious as I'm thinking of getting a PoE switch and cameras to work with a computer (sorry ThanksDude I know you're rolling your eyes at this). I know BI doesn't have an Android TV or Roku app to watch the live feed, are there others that do?
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wiseguy0323
03-01-2021 at 08:59 AM.
03-01-2021 at 08:59 AM.
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Anyone have experience with Amcrest NVR?
Used Amcrest, Reolink, and Lorex for commercial use. Used Yi and Eufy for residential use. I'd recommend Yi for residential use as its cheaper even with purchasing a SD card separately for storage to use such on entries or monitoring your yard with an easy interface. Amcrest or Lorex would be better for commercial use. This NVR doesn't include a HDD, but you can purchase one and self install it with provided SATA cable without voiding the NVR warranty per Amcrest's customer support. You can get away with close to 30 days of footage by setting the max 8 cameras to 2MP at 15FPS with 2048 bit rate on Motion recording on a 4TB hard drive at a retail location from experience. If you set the Substream to 256 bit rate you use minimal bandwidth too running about 2MB/s looking at all 8 cameras at once in Sub stream while same speed (2MP/s) using Main stream viewing 1 camera at a time. The local storage avoids having to purchase any cloud storage plans and can purchase an SD card to place in the cameras that support local SD storage to keep footage saved on the camera as well as NVR in case an intruder destroys the NVR or vice versa its still saved. Their cameras also support ONVIF so you can use other IP equipment and analytics with the system as its not a proprietary system like some models of the Lorex systems. I'd stay away form Reolink.
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03-01-2021 at 09:16 AM.
03-01-2021 at 09:16 AM.
Quote from wiseguy0323 :
Used Amcrest, Reolink, and Lorex for commercial use. Used Yi and Eufy for residential use. I'd recommend Yi for residential use as its cheaper even with purchasing a SD card separately for storage to use such on entries or monitoring your yard with an easy interface. Amcrest or Lorex would be better for commercial use. This NVR doesn't include a HDD, but you can purchase one and self install it with provided SATA cable without voiding the NVR warranty per Amcrest's customer support. You can get away with close to 30 days of footage by setting the max 8 cameras to 2MP at 15FPS with 2048 bit rate on Motion recording on a 4TB hard drive at a retail location from experience. If you set the Substream to 256 bit rate you use minimal bandwidth too running about 2MB/s looking at all 8 cameras at once in Sub stream while same speed (2MP/s) using Main stream viewing 1 camera at a time. The local storage avoids having to purchase any cloud storage plans and can purchase an SD card to place in the cameras that support local SD storage to keep footage saved on the camera as well as NVR in case an intruder destroys the NVR or vice versa its still saved. Their cameras also support ONVIF so you can use other IP equipment and analytics with the system as its not a proprietary system like some models of the Lorex systems. I'd stay away form Reolink.

So, Amcrest is so so and stay away from Reolink. However, look for Lorex? I see Lorex and Night owl a lot at Costco.
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03-01-2021 at 09:20 AM.
03-01-2021 at 09:20 AM.
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I am trying to set up a 4K "webcam". NOT for security and what I'm filming is not subject to privacy concerns. Something like watching a birdfeeder and wanting really good video (true 30fps) or single frames with a high shutter speed. I also am looking for somewhere around 4 to 7 cameras.

One of my big constraints is internet connectivity. The location is remote and has an internet connection but the uplink is REALLY slow.

Would something like this fit my needs (this NVR + HDD + cameras)? Or alternate suggestions welcome.
No this probably won't work. NVRs are designed for security footage - they typically use 10-15 frames per second max (and the cameras focus more on things like low light performance than on color accuracy).
That aside your uplink constraint basically makes any solution a non-starter. 4k 30fps will take quite a bit of bandwidth - probably at least 10Mbps+ per camera with H265/VP9 compression
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03-01-2021 at 09:22 AM.
03-01-2021 at 09:22 AM.
I can only see $159

Is there a code?
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03-01-2021 at 09:30 AM.
03-01-2021 at 09:30 AM.
What camera brand does it support?
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wiseguy0323
03-01-2021 at 10:29 AM.
03-01-2021 at 10:29 AM.
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So, Amcrest is so so and stay away from Reolink. However, look for Lorex? I see Lorex and Night owl a lot at Costco.
Lorex is good for both home use and commercial use. Lorex also has a Wire Free camera system which has the most stable connection with HD images of any of the wireless systems i tested which includes a bunch of Amazon based camera systems such as ZOSI and SMONET. Lorex's wireless is over RF frequency instead of Wi-Fi so they are proprietary systems since the cameras dont support ONVIF. I tested all previously mentioned brands and others on Amazon on wireless signal strength using an old Big Lots location. Lorex and Reolink were the only brands able to reach from the front door to the receiving dock 250'+ away. Reolink would loss signal consistently even at close range which is why i do not support Reolink, but Lorex was stable the entire time. Lorex Wire free cameras, if you loss power, their batteries last days or weeks dependent upon the amount of activity. Amcrest wireless cameras use Wi-Fi and do not have a battery backup so the signal is only as good as your Wi-Fi, but if you have multiple access points you'll be fine. Amcrest also has SD storage available on their cameras to record locally in case Wi-Fi drops. I'd support Amcrest or Lorex as their interface and platforms are the same and interchangeable (you can use Lorex software to connect to Amcrest system and vice versa) for their wired camera systems which lead me to believe they are manufacturer in the same warehouse oversees just rebranded. Lorex has a bump up with wire free cameras in case you wish to go that route and wouldnt be surprised to see Amcrest having their own wire free cameras in the near future.
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03-01-2021 at 10:30 AM.
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What camera brand does it support?
Its own brand is immediate Plug and Play while it supports any ONVIF IP camera, ive used Axis brand and a cheapo IP camera off Amazon and both worked on this NVR
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03-01-2021 at 10:45 AM.
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Quote from wiseguy0323 :
Lorex is good for both home use and commercial use. Lorex also has a Wire Free camera system which has the most stable connection with HD images of any of the wireless systems i tested which includes a bunch of Amazon based camera systems such as ZOSI and SMONET. Lorex's wireless is over RF frequency instead of Wi-Fi so they are proprietary systems since the cameras dont support ONVIF. I tested all previously mentioned brands and others on Amazon on wireless signal strength using an old Big Lots location. Lorex and Reolink were the only brands able to reach from the front door to the receiving dock 250'+ away. Reolink would loss signal consistently even at close range which is why i do not support Reolink, but Lorex was stable the entire time. Lorex Wire free cameras, if you loss power, their batteries last days or weeks dependent upon the amount of activity. Amcrest wireless cameras use Wi-Fi and do not have a battery backup so the signal is only as good as your Wi-Fi, but if you have multiple access points you'll be fine. Amcrest also has SD storage available on their cameras to record locally in case Wi-Fi drops. I'd support Amcrest or Lorex as their interface and platforms are the same and interchangeable (you can use Lorex software to connect to Amcrest system and vice versa) for their wired camera systems which lead me to believe they are manufacturer in the same warehouse oversees just rebranded. Lorex has a bump up with wire free cameras in case you wish to go that route and wouldnt be surprised to see Amcrest having their own wire free cameras in the near future.

Thanks much for ask the detailed info! How is the Amcrest software? Reliable? Is it safe to say that Lorex Audra software and Amcrest software are similar or the same, just rebranded? Would t be okay to buy this Amcrest NVR and hook it up with a bunch of Eufy ip cameras? would that mitigate or resolve wireless connection issues (residential)?
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03-01-2021 at 10:58 AM.
03-01-2021 at 10:58 AM.
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Thanks much for ask the detailed info! How is the Amcrest software? Reliable? Is it safe to say that Lorex Audra software and Amcrest software are similar or the same, just rebranded? Would t be okay to buy this Amcrest NVR and hook it up with a bunch of Eufy ip cameras? would that mitigate or resolve wireless connection issues (residential)?
Anytime! Unfortunately, Eufy just like Yi Home doesn't show any support for ONVIF in their data sheets. Those cameras do have either local storage on an SD card or Cloud storage available though for their cameras. I use Yi Home now and just put $15 128GB SD card in each of my Yi security cameras and use their provided app to connect and review footage. You dont need an NVR like this one if you use those cameras and best to just get an SD card for each camera and if you're worried about someone damaging the camera and tampering with the security footage you can opt for their Cloud storage at a monthly fee. I have the same issue with connection issues with Yi camera but the local SD card eases my mind since the footage is saved locally in case the camera losses connection.
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03-01-2021 at 11:36 AM.
03-01-2021 at 11:36 AM.
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Anytime! Unfortunately, Eufy just like Yi Home doesn't show any support for ONVIF in their data sheets. Those cameras do have either local storage on an SD card or Cloud storage available though for their cameras. I use Yi Home now and just put $15 128GB SD card in each of my Yi security cameras and use their provided app to connect and review footage. You dont need an NVR like this one if you use those cameras and best to just get an SD card for each camera and if you're worried about someone damaging the camera and tampering with the security footage you can opt for their Cloud storage at a monthly fee. I have the same issue with connection issues with Yi camera but the local SD card eases my mind since the footage is saved locally in case the camera losses connection.

Since Eufy supports rtsp, couldn't you just manually add the ip addresses to the NVR?
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03-01-2021 at 11:59 AM.
03-01-2021 at 11:59 AM.
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Please detail the CO$T of your setup (BI license for both desktop and mobile app, computer/NUC, minus the cameras) and then we'll compare you'll find that your system is much more expensive with slightly more features that basic users will never need or know how to configure. You can't have it both ways, low cost, low power consumption and all the features you want that may be offered by BI. You can have it all with this NVR system if your needs are basic. Also, this is s 8 port POE system not 16 port as noted in you killawatt test.

Why are you so positive my parents need BI and refuse to concede this system has a lot of value for a good size of end users at a low cost?

It' like telling a Prius owner to buy a Ford Mustang cause it can go faster and has more horse power and "looks" nicer.
Used HP Deskpro - $140 only need to add a hard drive
8 Port POE switch - free for testing for Amazon, $50-70 otherwise.
BI - $50
Hard drive, the same you'd pay if you had an NVR
Mobile app, no cost, you use the web interface it works fine over mobile sounds like it's been a long time since you looked at BI.

It does cost more but you get so much more and it is faster than an NVR that costs twice as much and can expand more. In my test it's a 16 port NVR with just 2 cameras connected POE and one with an injector since it's a PTZ. Without the ports being used it should consume roughly the same as an 8 port.

If you read my post I don't disagree with a beginner not needing more or this being cheaper. I just said if you are going to get serious about cameras, even NVRs 10x this price cannot compare with a BI or software system. Someone like me or others on here can't use something like this but if you have to spend time on it on a daily basis this is just not going to cut it and people need to be aware this is very entry level. It will be slow and cumbersom. BI fans on here just saying spend a little more get a lot better and it's true, the advantages far outweigh the cost difference. I did like you and recommended a hardware NVR to a friend and there were just too many issues so ended up replacing it with a BI system.
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03-01-2021 at 12:18 PM.
03-01-2021 at 12:18 PM.
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Not sure about this particular NVR but noise is a common problem with many NVRs due to the form factors they use (often they can only fit 40mm fans). I was able to reduce the noise on my Hikvision NVR from super annoying down to almost unnoticeable levels just by swapping out the fans for some Noctua ones.
It's definitely a fan issue as a result of heat. Replacing the fan with a better one would alleviate the issue, I've had to fix the power supplies in these before so I've done it. I just don't want to do it on a newer NVR until it's broke.

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Id rather have a dedicated NVR - i had a blue iris setup but ran into performance issues with 4k cams, also Id rather not have a beefy PC on 24/7 just for cameras if i can avoid it. Seems like an optimized device is a better option but admittedly ive never used an NVR.
The performance issues are a thing of the past. As long as you have an Intel CPU that supports Quicksync and setup substreams within the BI app, you will have no problem with performance and don't need a beefy system. One of my systems runs at 0% CPU, I'm looking at my 30 camera system and it's at 5%. You can get by with a cheap, used, power efficient Dell Optiplex or HP Prodesk, the kind you find being liquidated by the pallet loads on eBay and on Craigslist & FB.
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ThanksDude
03-01-2021 at 01:00 PM.
03-01-2021 at 01:00 PM.
Quote from badfishlbc :
Used HP Deskpro - $140 only need to add a hard drive
8 Port POE switch - free for testing for Amazon, $50-70 otherwise.
BI - $50
HP Desktop with 1650 GPU for $140? link please, will buy these all day long.

Desktop + BI + POE Switch is already twice as much as this NVR. Then you still need to mess with setting it up, disable screen saver, disable Windows update, disable this that and the other services, then it will still crash from time to time. With all that, complexity and hassle, costs ~$250 to run 24/7 for a year.

BI cost little bit more than $50, plus you need to add $10 for the mobile app as that isn't free where the Amcrest Mobile App is free.

And what about Power consumption of the HP compared to this NVR?
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03-01-2021 at 01:11 PM.
03-01-2021 at 01:11 PM.
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It's definitely a fan issue as a result of heat. Replacing the fan with a better one would alleviate the issue, I've had to fix the power supplies in these before so I've done it. I just don't want to do it on a newer NVR until it's broke.



The performance issues are a thing of the past. As long as you have an Intel CPU that supports Quicksync and setup substreams within the BI app, you will have no problem with performance and don't need a beefy system. One of my systems runs at 0% CPU, I'm looking at my 30 camera system and it's at 5%. You can get by with a cheap, used, power efficient Dell Optiplex or HP Prodesk, the kind you find being liquidated by the pallet loads on eBay and on Craigslist & FB.
I had 2 4k cams and and 5 ultrawide lens cams about ~3 years ago on an i7-3770s/ 32GB of ram and the system would come to a crawl - even after i optimized it per some reddit thread i had found.

I have since upgraded to a Ryzen 3900x /64GB 3200 , which id rather not keep on 24/7 but the experience made me not want to try it again. Which is why i entered a thread about an NVR...

lets see - i still have the license - maybe ill give it another shot
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