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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/6MP/8MP/4K) POE Network Video Recorder (Hard Drive NOT Included) $136

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Don't let the boys at IP-Cam-Talk lead you to believe Blue Iris is the only solution you need (as it appears they work for Blue Iris).

Had good luck so far with this NVR using 3rd party cameras.

Note:
1) Hard Drive Not Included
2) If you plan on using non-Amcrest cameras, would recommend getting an external POE switch or injector to configure your 3rd party camera (setting up camera settings/resolution and "10.1.1.x" IP and subnet/etc ) then connect to the Amcrest and manually configure it under "Customirzed" camera.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0743WP62Q

Amcrest's NV4108E-HS 8CH POE NVR supports hard drives up to 6 Terabytes, while Featuring 8CH Recording, Playback & Live View in Up to 8MP/4K Resolution @ Real-Time 30fps.
Advanced H.265 compression technology lets you save on storage space which allows for longer recording times. H.265 technology compresses your video without sacrificing any of the UltraHD video quality. Intelligent search, playback, and backup functions provide enhanced ease of use and security (for example, motion detection event and exact search functions that are accurate to one second).
Plug & Play setup, Easy to configure, access and control. Scan QR Code on POE NVR from "Amcrest View" app to instantly access live viewing and playback. Connects to and manages all the POE IP cameras on your network directly through their ethernet cables for ultimate ease and convenience in a home security system.
Max 80Mbps Incoming Bandwidth, records 7 cameras @ 4K using H.264. Records 8 cameras @ 4K by changing default settings from H.264 to H.265 and adjusting bit rate to 1792 on each camera for maximum optimization. Conveniently packaged with extras such as USB mouse, network cable, and quick start guide.
Includes USB backup feature for peace of mind. All systems CE & FCC certified with UL compliant power supplies. Guaranteed for a Full Year from purchase with US Support and US Warranty offered exclusively by Amcrest.
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Sounds like mostly user/installer error? 🤔
How so? Cams have DHCP reservation, and the only way I can think of being able to access the DVR remotely without allowing others to access it at all is to have either IP whitelisting, a VPN, or some other sort of tunnel (which makes it difficult because there is no other hardware at the install location, and the user is using an iphone to view the feeds). Do you have a recommendation that would help remediate these issues?
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2 years ago (April 2019) I bought a NVR Dahua Original English Version NVR4116HS-4KS2
for $125 on aliexpress, isn't that like the same NVR? except the branding?? Anyone know...

Thanks

But is so this doesn't seem that great of a deal.
I like Amcrest I have 2 Amcrest cameras and they work fine, wouldn't mind owning this. But seems pricey, the Dahua NVR is fine, but one of the cameras 720p (top201) seems to have choppy video, when people walk by in one frame of video, it appears they are able to travel forward in time, like 5 steps ahead in the next frame. Not all the time but some times, may be the NVR is being overworked with my 11 cameras or that camera is acting up. My cameras ranging from 4MP to 720P....
That's my only complaint really.

I made a mistake, I think my NVR is like this one: $120
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-NV...d=14241611
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What model of NVR? I have an older Amcrest NVR that has been stable with a bunch of different brand cameras. It was a little fiddley to get the motion detection to work at first, but once it was setup, it just works, and it is super low powered compared to a full windows PC. My main reason for NVR over blue iris on a pc, is that I just don't have the space to put another pc that is solely dedicated to BlueIris.
I didn't realize it, but I just checked and I used this exact model. Motion detection works well on it and on the standalone cams as well.
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Anyone have experience with Amcrest NVR?
Have been using a Amcrest DVR at my firehouse for almost five years now. Have had to replace the power supply 3 times now. They are notorious for going bad. Fan finally seized and fried the CPU. I can't totally complain as it's been running 24/7/365 for almost 5 years. Moving over to a upgraded Dahua branded DVR now.
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This is pretty good option too, especially if you plan on using 3rd party cameras and don't mind using a separate POE switch. Considering this myself. Thanks.
do i have to plug NVR directly into POE Switch or I can plug it to any route on my ethernet lan?

Like this random switch
https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Upl...B0899NR75K

do i need to connect like they show on a pic? (Lan1 to nvr or and lan2 to router) or i can connect it to ethernet network and connect nvr to my router?

looks like it would be less money and more flexibility...
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Can you access this through an app? I assume this is connected to the internet?
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where's matt

we need his expert opinion on this one
Hi HonestPiranha

Looks like there's already been some great discussion by SD'ers here which makes me very a happy to see the SD community really getting better on this topic of security cameras Smilie

My quick take:
Dahua OEM
Looks like the NVR Lite version
If you can afford better, I like the Dahua OEM NVR pro models which can take 2 HDDs, and always recommend going with the model up of poe ports you think you need - as most end up finding that they want to add 1-2+ cameras more than they originally thought of needing.
( example if you think you need a 4port NVR go with 8 port, if you think you need a 8 port go with a 16 port ... same applies for a PoE switch )

NVRs in general are lower processing powered, and require the cameras to do much of the work - thus match the NVR OEM with the Camera OEMs.

If you want to mix and match camera OEMs, or want more flexibility - many ipcamtalk members really like a used Business class PC ( newer gen ) + PoE switch + Blue Iris VMS software. ( you can also get Dahua OEM SmartPSS to run on a PC.. free download... but you'll want Dahua OEM cameras )

Many ways to do this.. NVRs imho are not as reliable as a enterprise PoE switch ( even used ) + Business Class PC ( even used ).

Also NVRs fans are louder than a Business Class PC .. tho adding a Enterprise Switch into the mix should add more noise...
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I get the reservations about dedicating a windows box to Blue Iris, but if that was the concern, I wouldn't be OK with dropping $136 on dedicated NVR hardware either.

If you're willing to do some virtualization, you can have both linux and windows on the same box. I'm using a $100 i5 (gen 4) from ebay, added RAM, running proxmox with a Windows 10 VM for Blue Iris, and running a Ubuntu VM and some other containers. I'm able to use a couple of WD Red drives to service all these things. It's been running well, and I have a lot of headroom left. I'm not even doing quicksync, I have two 5MP cameras.

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Im using blue iris but im not sure its worth it. I need a windows pc running all the time and using it as a server for other things is not as good as linux
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That is what I was hoping to avoid and why I went with this. Another reasons being I wanted to simply connect it to my TV for quick viewing and not have to deal with login, Windows update, screen saver, paying for all the needed items like PC, BI license, POE switch and BI app.
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The problem with BI is it requires a separate PC, which is fine for a DUI type person but for the typical average joe it adds a lot of complexity and cost.
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Just curious what 4k cams are running on wifi backhauls and how stable has it been?
Stability is absolutely amazing. I'm on a google mesh system because a normal system can't handle the huge amount of smart items in the house. 165 on wifi alone. Not only do never have dropouts, but reliability is top notch.

Using two Montavue 4k PTZ with auto tracking. The other 6 are Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-V2's.

3 cameras are on a 300' cat 5 cable out to a back building. The other 5 are all on wifi backhauls.
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How come no mention of DW Spectrum (NX)? Not their nvr but their software which is free but they charge a one time license fee per cameras. Anyone here has experience of BI vs DW?
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$ 70 Blue Iris license
$ 200 (6+ year old used computer)
$ 100 Windows License if the computer doesn't have it or have old Win 7 on it.
$ 100 8 port POE switch

So $400 to $500 for a Blue Iris system (without cameras) and not to mention you will be burning more electricity because it's a windows computer and include the POE switch as well. These 2 devices combined will draw more power thus produce more heat compared to an all in 1 system.

I used to be BI user and I know old i7 CPUs will max out at 100% with only 10 cameras at 1080p. When CPU usage hits 100% for a month, your electricity bill would have paid for this Amcrest NVR right now.

BI is obsolete and there are better cheaper, more power efficient and user friendly solution out there. This Amcrest is one of them.

It's time to move on.
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I agreed with you. Also don't forget they changed to annual subscription model. Time to dump BI for something cheaper and more efficient.

Quote from 1SlickDealFan :
I agreed with you. Also don't forget they changed to annual subscription model. Time to dump BI for something cheaper and more efficient.
You can still do a one-time buy from BI. They don't force you to subscribe. I have been a BI user for 6 years and don't really have much to complain about. I am a DYI person and like the control of using a PC verses a dedicated unit. BI always supports the various random IP cameras I buy (I have 6 different brands ) with 12 IP cameras total including 4 2k cameras. I wonder if any of the cheap NVRs could support that many cameras and the volume of network traffic? Running on a free HP workstation Z620 with Windows server 2012 with 4 network interfaces. Rock solid and replicates the recordings to any location I can create a network share. Only downside may be that it is less power efficient but based on my consumption measurements its approx $2 per month...
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You can still do a one-time buy from BI. They don't force you to subscribe. I have been a BI user for 6 years and don't really have much to complain about. I am a DYI person and like the control of using a PC verses a dedicated unit. BI always supports the various random IP cameras I buy (I have 6 different brands ) with 12 IP cameras total including 4 2k cameras. I wonder if any of the cheap NVRs could support that many cameras and the volume of network traffic? Running on a free HP workstation Z620 with Windows server 2012 with 4 network interfaces. Rock solid and replicates the recordings to any location I can create a network share. Only downside may be that it is less power efficient but based on my consumption measurements its approx $2 per month...
No way it's $2 month. LOL. Go get a Killawatt and check your power consumption for just the computer alone. You HP Z620 is equipped with a power hungry server chip with built in 800 watts of PSU. Your 4 port NIC alone will draw 20-50 watts. This is system is probably 10 times more power hungry than an average NVR solution. My guess is your computer is drawing around 250-300 watts at 20-50% CPU load.

At 16 cents per KW hr and at 24/7 continuous usage, you will have to pay around $30/month for a system drawing 250-300 watts. And this is just for the computer alone and we're not even including the cameras and switch power consumption. Each of POE camera will have to draw around 6-12 watts plus the switch consumption itself .. (the longer the rj45, the more power it burns because POE has to compensate on the voltage drop).

If you are not sure, get a killawatt and measure the actual consumption of your device and tell me your electricity rate and I will computer your numbers for you. There's no way you are just adding $2 a month for your system... that's not even remotely close.

If you want to use different brand of cameras and have features like BI or more,.. say Hello to Qnap or Synology. They run far more efficient than any BI system. But that's another story.
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Quote from slickcouponsman :
... If you're willing to do some virtualization...
...I'm not even doing quicksync, I have two 5MP cameras.
That's the thing, this is a 4K system and basic users aren't going to mess with "virtualization" Linux, Windows and all that comes with it, Screen savers, windows updates, reboot required, configurations, etc..

Here is the break down pairing up user types to systems:

BASIC USERS: Want basic set of features (monitor/view and recording), low cost of entry, with set it and forget ease, can connect and view from TV without having to login to system, free workable mobile app and a web interface would be a plus and not manditory. Can accept some minor limitations that may never be expected to work for these users, like very reliable motion/zone detection or 3rd party camera support, Prebuilt NVRs fit these users.

ADVANCED USERS: Want to tweak this that and the other thing, don't mind paying more money$$$, have the time and energy to deal with Windows and Linux setup and their quirks. May also want to run AI for detection. BI and the like will fit these users.

EXPERT/COMMERCIAL USERS: Pay BIG money for specific features and fail-safe stability and industry quality hardware and security.

So you can't tell a BASIC user to get an ADVANCED USER system and expect them to be happy. People who push BI don't want to understand this, they want to force BI onto all levels of users, not sure why (I do, but not saying..).
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.... Only downside may be that it is less power efficient but based on my consumption measurements its approx $2 per month...
$2 a month? You were sold a lie with BI.

Quote from https://www.quora.com/How-much-is-the-electricity-cost-for-running-a-desktop-computer-for-a-year-non-stop :
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a computer that uses 300 watts per hour at a location where the electric rate is $0.11 per kW hour flat rate, As there are 8,766 hours in a year, the total electrical cost would be ((300*8766)/1000)*0.11= $289.28 a year.
So try like $24 per month...

Source:
https://www.quora.com/How-much-is...r-non-stop
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I was going to ask about whether it makes more sense to just get a PoE switch and use a windows computer (I would probably use a windows computer anyway for recording and cloud uploads, I already have a plex server on 24/7)

Then I come to this thread and see the discussions lol.

It seems like this is limited to a brand of cameras you can use with it, f that lol.
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