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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/6MP/8MP/4K) POE Network Video Recorder (Hard Drive NOT Included) $136

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Don't let the boys at IP-Cam-Talk lead you to believe Blue Iris is the only solution you need (as it appears they work for Blue Iris).

Had good luck so far with this NVR using 3rd party cameras.

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1) Hard Drive Not Included
2) If you plan on using non-Amcrest cameras, would recommend getting an external POE switch or injector to configure your 3rd party camera (setting up camera settings/resolution and "10.1.1.x" IP and subnet/etc ) then connect to the Amcrest and manually configure it under "Customirzed" camera.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0743WP62Q

Amcrest's NV4108E-HS 8CH POE NVR supports hard drives up to 6 Terabytes, while Featuring 8CH Recording, Playback & Live View in Up to 8MP/4K Resolution @ Real-Time 30fps.
Advanced H.265 compression technology lets you save on storage space which allows for longer recording times. H.265 technology compresses your video without sacrificing any of the UltraHD video quality. Intelligent search, playback, and backup functions provide enhanced ease of use and security (for example, motion detection event and exact search functions that are accurate to one second).
Plug & Play setup, Easy to configure, access and control. Scan QR Code on POE NVR from "Amcrest View" app to instantly access live viewing and playback. Connects to and manages all the POE IP cameras on your network directly through their ethernet cables for ultimate ease and convenience in a home security system.
Max 80Mbps Incoming Bandwidth, records 7 cameras @ 4K using H.264. Records 8 cameras @ 4K by changing default settings from H.264 to H.265 and adjusting bit rate to 1792 on each camera for maximum optimization. Conveniently packaged with extras such as USB mouse, network cable, and quick start guide.
Includes USB backup feature for peace of mind. All systems CE & FCC certified with UL compliant power supplies. Guaranteed for a Full Year from purchase with US Support and US Warranty offered exclusively by Amcrest.
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Quote from hajalie24 :
I was going to ask about whether it makes more sense to just get a PoE switch and use a windows computer (I would probably use a windows computer anyway for recording and cloud uploads, I already have a plex server on 24/7)

Then I come to this thread and see the discussions lol.

It seems like this is limited to a brand of cameras you can use with it, f that lol.
I tested this NVR out, still deciding if I want to keep it. Was able to connect two non-Amcrest cameras to it. Was able to find and display one, but took a little doing on the other one connected, as I needed to first configure it on another external POE switch and then connect it to the Amcrest. But if you want Amcrest cameras, shouldn't be an issue and you can just plug in to the NVR.
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Costco will have a Lorex bundle of 4 camera for 480 starting March 3rd


https://www.costco.com/lorex-8-ch...95873.html
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About the BI power calculations, who is getting marginal KwH power at less than 20c?

In CA PGE is 24c base and 30c , so marginal cost is 30c per KwH.

Power consumption is a BIG consideration.
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Quote from foofurrah :
I'm using the version of this without PoE ports. I think it's a better deal refurbished at $83 and then buy a separate PoE switch.

As noted this is rebranded Dahua.

https://amcrest.com/amcrest-rep-n...-wifi.html
Does that use h.265?

Edit: yes. And it's available on Home Depot
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You can still do a one-time buy from BI. They don't force you to subscribe. I have been a BI user for 6 years and don't really have much to complain about. I am a DYI person and like the control of using a PC verses a dedicated unit. BI always supports the various random IP cameras I buy (I have 6 different brands ) with 12 IP cameras total including 4 2k cameras. I wonder if any of the cheap NVRs could support that many cameras and the volume of network traffic? Running on a free HP workstation Z620 with Windows server 2012 with 4 network interfaces. Rock solid and replicates the recordings to any location I can create a network share. Only downside may be that it is less power efficient but based on my consumption measurements its approx $2 per month...
Other users have already chimed in, but at 10c/KwH, your system would only be using 27W. I'm guessing you forgot to multiply by 10 in your calculations, as otherwise that's impossible for your system. My NAS/NVR linuxbox DOES use ~35W, so I'm not saying no PC can only use that much power when active but your server PC is terrible for power efficiency.

I have a spare i2500K desktop PC in my house that is sitting idle because it idles at over 50W, where my tiny dualcore 1007u processor with a super small PSU uses only 10-15W at idle. Unfortunately there's a tradeoff with high performance cores vs power consumption, so you're relegated to using weak rasberry pi 4 level CPUs if you want to stay in a low power budget.

There's some NVRs that can support that many cameras but a Rasbery Pi 4 will probably be cheaper and faster.
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thank you for posting this deal got one
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thank you for posting this deal got one
np, what camera(s) are you planning on getting?
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BI may have updated its efficiency but still doesn't take away the fact that:
  • You'll spend more on electricity This thing runs 24/7. Your BI system will run at least 100 watts or more than any single solution NVR. 100 watts for 24/7/356 is $140 at 16cents per kilowatt hours. The excess electricity you burn is the price of this NVR for a year.
  • It requires more money upfront compared to this NVR for $136 and it includes POE switch. How can you beat that? Your BI machine has 32 gb of RAM, that thing alone is more expensive than $136.Even that 7700k is twice expensive than $136.
  • You will need more technical knowledge which regular people doesn't have.
  • You are running a Windows 10 box 24/7 which is unreliable and gives you more hole in security (unless you know what you're doing which again you don't expect to all people).
  • Windows 10 needs restarts every update which again gives downtime and a chore to do. It's not plug and forget solution.
  • BI system is bulkier. Find a space for both of your computer box and switch.
I have a Ryzen system with an Nvidia Geforce 1650 card. It runs nice and quiet at 50-65 watts most of the time. Sometimes I use it as my desktop. If I had gotten a used Intel with quicksync CPU I would be running even less than that. The recommended route for BI is to buy a corporate desktop with Quicksync. Last time I had to buy one I bought an HP prodesk with a 6th gen Intel processor with 8GB ram and all I did was add a drive. It ran me around $140.

I put the kill-a-watt on the Dahua NVR5232-16P-4KS2E NVR today and it can go over 100 watts with just 3 cameras. Idles at about 40-50 watts. The power difference is negligible. But the noise is not, the Dahua is loud.

BI can also run on a NUC which will get your power right about even with an NVR power and size wise. I have owned several NVRs from Dahua and Hikvision and they all have had ports die. Some NVRs allow you to redirect your channels to other IP addresses, but I don't know if this entry level NVR will let you do that but you have to plan on getting POE injectors or POE switches later. POE switches and injectors allow a lot of flexibility as it's been pointed out that it can be a pain to run all those cables to the same place.


Quote from ThanksDude :
This is the post to end all posts for this thread. Perfectly sums up the advantages of this NVR (any NVR for that matter) vs Blue Iris.

But we have not heard the last of the BI fan-base, they are strongly bias as if they have a stake in the sales of the BI software... hummmm.....
No stake in the BI software at all here. I do have a lot of cameras between the homes and businesses and once in a while I'll buy the latest NVR to see if I can do it without BI and each time I try I just can't. The interface and the capabilities of BI are just so much better. AI, managing storage, the web interface, reviewing clips, alerting, camera compatibility, etc. But again, most people don't need this and they can put up with the shortcomings of an all in one NVR. When you want better then it's time to move onto a software solution and it doesn't have to be BI. You can't do BI for this price, but if you think you are going to get serious about your cameras and clips then BI is not a bad place to start but an entry level NVR is.
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I put the kill-a-watt on the Dahua NVR5232-16P-4KS2E NVR today and it can go over 100 watts with just 3 cameras. Idles at about 40-50 watts. The power difference is negligible. But the noise is not, the Dahua is loud.


Not sure about this particular NVR but noise is a common problem with many NVRs due to the form factors they use (often they can only fit 40mm fans). I was able to reduce the noise on my Hikvision NVR from super annoying down to almost unnoticeable levels just by swapping out the fans for some Noctua ones.
I think the resource/power issue people are discussing here can be broken down quite simply: NVRs are purpose built and therefore the hardware is likely to match the specified capabilities (number of cameras, resolution, codecs). If you have a BI system you are going to err on the side of caution and end up over spec'ing it, which ends up being inefficient. Someone else posted that they worked around this inefficiency issue by putting it on a VM on a multipurpose machine which makes sense, but that requires that you have other uses for the machine and that you have the technical prowess to set it up and are comfortable with other limitations such as sharing network resources.
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I have a Ryzen system with an Nvidia Geforce 1650 card. It runs nice and quiet at 50-65 watts most of the time. Sometimes I use it as my desktop. If I had gotten a used Intel with quicksync CPU I would be running even less than that. The recommended route for BI is to buy a corporate desktop with Quicksync. Last time I had to buy one I bought an HP prodesk with a 6th gen Intel processor with 8GB ram and all I did was add a drive. It ran me around $140.

I put the kill-a-watt on the Dahua NVR5232-16P-4KS2E NVR today and it can go over 100 watts with just 3 cameras. Idles at about 40-50 watts. The power difference is negligible. But the noise is not, the Dahua is loud.

BI can also run on a NUC which will get your power right about even with an NVR power....
Please detail the CO$T of your setup (BI license for both desktop and mobile app, computer/NUC, minus the cameras) and then we'll compare you'll find that your system is much more expensive with slightly more features that basic users will never need or know how to configure. You can't have it both ways, low cost, low power consumption and all the features you want that may be offered by BI. You can have it all with this NVR system if your needs are basic. Also, this is s 8 port POE system not 16 port as noted in you killawatt test.

Why are you so positive my parents need BI and refuse to concede this system has a lot of value for a good size of end users at a low cost?

It' like telling a Prius owner to buy a Ford Mustang cause it can go faster and has more horse power and "looks" nicer.
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amcrest/dahua have these new line of cameras with AI. Is it worth getting them with NVR? they are quite a bit more even after 10% discount on amcrest website.
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Im using blue iris but im not sure its worth it.
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Im using blue iris but im not sure its worth it.
If you don't need all the features of BI and can get by with this NVR, then you may have wasted some $$$ on both initial setup and on going power consumption costs.

I'd be concerned if you were coerced by all the BI "advocates" (sales folks) into getting BI.
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It's $159.99 for me.
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Id rather have a dedicated NVR - i had a blue iris setup but ran into performance issues with 4k cams, also Id rather not have a beefy PC on 24/7 just for cameras if i can avoid it. Seems like an optimized device is a better option but admittedly ive never used an NVR.
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