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Amcrest NV4108E-HS 4K 8CH POE NVR (1080p/3MP/4MP/5MP/6MP/8MP/4K) POE Network Video Recorder (Hard Drive NOT Included) $136

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Don't let the boys at IP-Cam-Talk lead you to believe Blue Iris is the only solution you need (as it appears they work for Blue Iris).

Had good luck so far with this NVR using 3rd party cameras.

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1) Hard Drive Not Included
2) If you plan on using non-Amcrest cameras, would recommend getting an external POE switch or injector to configure your 3rd party camera (setting up camera settings/resolution and "10.1.1.x" IP and subnet/etc ) then connect to the Amcrest and manually configure it under "Customirzed" camera.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0743WP62Q

Amcrest's NV4108E-HS 8CH POE NVR supports hard drives up to 6 Terabytes, while Featuring 8CH Recording, Playback & Live View in Up to 8MP/4K Resolution @ Real-Time 30fps.
Advanced H.265 compression technology lets you save on storage space which allows for longer recording times. H.265 technology compresses your video without sacrificing any of the UltraHD video quality. Intelligent search, playback, and backup functions provide enhanced ease of use and security (for example, motion detection event and exact search functions that are accurate to one second).
Plug & Play setup, Easy to configure, access and control. Scan QR Code on POE NVR from "Amcrest View" app to instantly access live viewing and playback. Connects to and manages all the POE IP cameras on your network directly through their ethernet cables for ultimate ease and convenience in a home security system.
Max 80Mbps Incoming Bandwidth, records 7 cameras @ 4K using H.264. Records 8 cameras @ 4K by changing default settings from H.264 to H.265 and adjusting bit rate to 1792 on each camera for maximum optimization. Conveniently packaged with extras such as USB mouse, network cable, and quick start guide.
Includes USB backup feature for peace of mind. All systems CE & FCC certified with UL compliant power supplies. Guaranteed for a Full Year from purchase with US Support and US Warranty offered exclusively by Amcrest.
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You sound more like a shill for Amcrest by far lmao.

Side note, what are some good software solutions besides BI? Genuinely curious as I'm thinking of getting a PoE switch and cameras to work with a computer (sorry ThanksDude I know you're rolling your eyes at this). I know BI doesn't have an Android TV or Roku app to watch the live feed, are there others that do?
Just to be sure, I am not against BI, but rather their Nazi approach to recruit software salesmen (SS) to force it down every user's throat.

With that said, here are some software solutions note in this thread:

Shinobi (Linux)
Milestone Xprotect Essential + [milestonesys.com] (Windows)

Thanks.
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I had 2 4k cams and and 5 ultrawide lens cams about ~3 years ago on an i7-3770s/ 32GB of ram and the system would come to a crawl - even after i optimized it per some reddit thread i had found.

I have since upgraded to a Ryzen 3900x /64GB 3200 , which id rather not keep on 24/7 but the experience made me not want to try it again. Which is why i entered a thread about an NVR...

lets see - i still have the license - maybe ill give it another shot
Yea, while reviewing the BI path, this is exactly what I wanted to avoid. But if you want to upgrade to latest BI, it will cost you, assuming you are on version 4, which it sounds like you are.
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Just to be sure, I am not against BI, but rather their Nazi approach to recruit software salesmen (SS) to force it down every user's throat.

With that said, here are some software solutions note in this thread:

Shinobi (Linux)
Milestone Xprotect Essential + [milestonesys.com] (Windows)

Thanks.
Thanks for the suggestions, appreciate it.
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Hi HonestPiranha

Looks like there's already been some great discussion by SD'ers here which makes me very a happy to see the SD community really getting better on this topic of security cameras https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...lies/smile.gif

My quick take:
Dahua OEM
Looks like the NVR Lite version
If you can afford better, I like the Dahua OEM NVR pro models which can take 2 HDDs, and always recommend going with the model up of poe ports you think you need - as most end up finding that they want to add 1-2+ cameras more than they originally thought of needing.
( example if you think you need a 4port NVR go with 8 port, if you think you need a 8 port go with a 16 port ... same applies for a PoE switch )

NVRs in general are lower processing powered, and require the cameras to do much of the work - thus match the NVR OEM with the Camera OEMs.

If you want to mix and match camera OEMs, or want more flexibility - many ipcamtalk members really like a used Business class PC ( newer gen ) + PoE switch + Blue Iris VMS software. ( you can also get Dahua OEM SmartPSS to run on a PC.. free download... but you'll want Dahua OEM cameras )

Many ways to do this.. NVRs imho are not as reliable as a enterprise PoE switch ( even used ) + Business Class PC ( even used ).

Also NVRs fans are louder than a Business Class PC .. tho adding a Enterprise Switch into the mix should add more noise...
thank you matt

i already have a spare i5 pc. should i go NVR route or go blue iris?
would a blueiris setup do 30 fps on all cameras and perhaps a higher bitrate than a nvr?

thinking about getting 4 amcrest turret IP5M-T1179EW-28MM and 2 Reolink RLC-410 5MP(choosing these as i wasnt able to find a similar amcrest bullet with a microphone.IP5M-B1186EW-28MM this is the one i was looking at)


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Just to be sure, I am not against BI, but rather their Nazi approach to recruit software salesmen (SS) to force it down every user's throat.

With that said, here are some software solutions note in this thread:

Shinobi (Linux)
Milestone Xprotect Essential + [milestonesys.com] (Windows)

Thanks.
https://gitlab.com/Shinobi-Systems/Shinobi
https://shinobi.video/
shinobi looks like its free?

is milestone also free?
https://www.milestonesys.com/solu...-download/

has anyone here used either one of these?
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Quote from HonestPiranha173 :
thank you matt

i already have a spare i5 pc. should i go NVR route or go blue iris?
would a blueiris setup do 30 fps on all cameras and perhaps a higher bitrate than a nvr?

thinking about getting 4 amcrest turret IP5M-T1179EW-28MM and 2 Reolink RLC-410 5MP(choosing these as i wasnt able to find a similar amcrest bullet with a microphone.IP5M-B1186EW-28MM this is the one i was looking at)
BI allows you to try it before you buy it. Won't hurt to see if it meets your needs before shelling out the $. Just be aware that their mobile app cost $10 or you can go with their web interface, just need to NAT it out to a public/static IP or if you don't have one setup DDNS.

So depending on your needs and willingness and ability to mess with tweaking BI to suit you. Also keep in mind what Matt stated, "NVRs in general are lower processing powered" and calculate your cost for having your PC + POE Switch on 24/7 and if you are okay will all that, you got your answer.
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BI allows you to try it before you buy it. Won't hurt to see if it meets your needs before shelling out the $. Just be aware that their mobile app cost $10 or you can go with their web interface, just need to NAT it out to a public/static IP or if you don't have one setup DDNS.

So depending on your needs and willingness and ability to mess with tweaking BI to suit you. Also keep in mind what Matt stated, "NVRs in general are lower processing powered" and calculate your cost for having your PC + POE Switch on 24/7 and if you are okay will all that, you got your answer.
mostly looking at something that will give alerts for person/motion etc to the smartphone and also allow to view remotely from mobile if needed.

in order to test BI i will have to buy a poe switch to test with the 6 cameras. as the cameras dont come with power adapter and i dont have a nvr

is there a major cost difference with running a pc vs running a NVR? i havent looked at this aspect. is it more like $10(NVR) vs $15 (PC) or is it more like $25 vs $100 per month kind of difference?

thank you
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No this probably won't work. NVRs are designed for security footage - they typically use 10-15 frames per second max (and the cameras focus more on things like low light performance than on color accuracy).
That aside your uplink constraint basically makes any solution a non-starter. 4k 30fps will take quite a bit of bandwidth - probably at least 10Mbps+ per camera with H265/VP9 compression
The internet uplink is ~5Mbps, so enough to remotely login and monitor the machine, but then I planned to go to the remote location periodically; maybe once per week or per month and transfer the interesting events to a laptop.

The reason for asking on this forum is to confirm that a system advertised as 4K30fps (NVR and Camera) actually can perform to that level for capturing to the NVR. I'm probably most concerned with shutter speed above all else.

Some of the other video I shoot on an action camera at 4K30fps then I extract still images from the video stream. That's what I'm trying to replicate with a system like this.
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The internet uplink is ~5Mbps, so enough to remotely login and monitor the machine, but then I planned to go to the remote location periodically; maybe once per week or per month and transfer the interesting events to a laptop.

The reason for asking on this forum is to confirm that a system advertised as 4K30fps (NVR and Camera) actually can perform to that level for capturing to the NVR. I'm probably most concerned with shutter speed above all else.

Some of the other video I shoot on an action camera at 4K30fps then I extract still images from the video stream. That's what I'm trying to replicate with a system like this.
I thought this deal was for an NVR with no cameras. Yes this NVR can probably support 30fps since it really isn't doing much processing work itself - most of the work is done by the IP cam. However the cameras themselves might not support a high framerate. See this post [ipcamtalk.com] for some info on fps on current Dahua cameras.
I would head over to ipcamtalk and look at the specs/reviews/footage of different camera models and see if there's something that works for you.
I think Blue Iris which was discussed here might be better alternative for you. The user interface is better if you're going to be periodically pulling footage, and there's more flexibility in case you want to experiment with different camera types/settings. As per the discussion in this thread, it will probably use a bit more power.
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I have the 2108 (non-poe) model for 2+ years. It's been a set it and forget it experience, for me. Works when I needed. Able to access the vids anywhere. Nice to be able to have 1 app to view Amcrest, and non-Amcrest cams (via ONVIF, for example, the several Reolink cams that I have). I got it with the hope for low (or no) maintenance and so far, it's been the case.
With the non-POE NVR model, are all your cameras connected wirelessly? This is the route I'm considering since it will be a little cheaper and much easier to install than POE cat5 runs. I'm only concerned about image quality and reliability with the wifi connection from cameras to the NVR unit. What's your experience?
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With the non-POE NVR model, are all your cameras connected wirelessly? This is the route I'm considering since it will be a little cheaper and much easier to install than POE cat5 runs. I'm only concerned about image quality and reliability with the wifi connection from cameras to the NVR unit. What's your experience?
Mines is 4 via POE Switch to the non-POE NVR. 4 Wireless. I have no complaints.
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