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So a friend of mine Wave has a rental property which they bought 10 years ago cheap and thanks to the crazy market it has tripled in value (or more).

Would it make sense to sell this now, bank the money, and assume that in 5 or 10 years the next cycle crashes home prices for a potential new acquisition?

There is of course some tax and RE commission penalty, still, it's a lot of dough, that could be put somewhere else (inflation proof??).

Thanks for any thoughts...Please
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06-09-2021 at 03:44 PM.
06-09-2021 at 03:44 PM.
Run the calculations. Would you buy this house if you didn't own it? My current rental...I can collect maybe 2k rent or sell off at close to $280k, so I will probably sell when current tenant leaves.
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06-10-2021 at 08:15 AM.
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Might want to figure out what the CGT will be. A good option is to do a 1031 Exchange and reinvest in more properties. That will defer the CGT and allow the profit to be used right away although there are strict rules governing this sort of transaction.
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06-11-2021 at 06:09 AM.
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It would make sense to sell now before all the repossessions and evictions start.
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Wasser
06-11-2021 at 08:29 AM.
06-11-2021 at 08:29 AM.
Quote from Grinner :
Might want to figure out what the CGT will be. A good option is to do a 1031 Exchange and reinvest in more properties. That will defer the CGT and allow the profit to be used right away although there are strict rules governing this sort of transaction.
Thank you! CGT is definitely a factor. The point is to sell now as the prices are "through the roof" and then wait until things change back to normal or crash in a fiery depression. Probably not quick enough to avoid CGT.
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06-11-2021 at 02:22 PM.
06-11-2021 at 02:22 PM.
Quote from Wasser :
Thank you! CGT is definitely a factor. The point is to sell now as the prices are "through the roof" and then wait until things change back to normal or crash in a fiery depression. Probably not quick enough to avoid CGT.

Well you can't really avoid CGT although you can mitigate it by increasing your basis. Another option is a cash-out refi and using that money to buy more rentals.
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06-12-2021 at 11:08 AM.
06-12-2021 at 11:08 AM.
Before your friend sells, he needs to figure out what is he going to move that capital into. If he's moving it into a bank and let it sit with 5% inflation, he's completely out of his mind.
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komondor
06-13-2021 at 07:53 PM.
06-13-2021 at 07:53 PM.
Sell his current house move into the rental then when he can sell without capitol gains sell that too.
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06-16-2021 at 12:13 PM.
06-16-2021 at 12:13 PM.
By "friend" do you mean "you?"
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06-18-2021 at 01:16 PM.
06-18-2021 at 01:16 PM.
There is definitely a housing bubble and it will not go down until interest rates go up 2023.

I've kind of looked into my 8 rentals and I decided to keep my properties.... just love that passive income. And I purchased 5 properties in the down turn, some have tripled in value as well.

I kind of used the fund DNP to compare... fund pays about a 7.5% dividend.

For example, if I sell one property I could get $240K (no mortgage). Figure after commisions, capital gains tax I would be left with $195K. I get 1,660 for rent (and there is ROOM for growth... figure market rate is 1,800.00).
OK... 195,000 x .075 = $13,500.00 in dividends. 240K less capital gains tax less commisions.
Rent = $19,920 per year less $3K for real estate taxes less $3k for condo fees less $1k for repairs. I am left with $14,625.00.
NOW, you will have to pay tax on those dividends and I basically run my property close to zero after expenses.
20% tax on dividends... profit becomes $11,700.00.

I KNOW MY MATH IS OFF... but you can figure it out.


You also need to consider that you will have to pay taxes on more of the principle since every year you are depreciating the value of the home... this should be VERY SMALL. BUT BUT BUT you need to consider the headache of not having a rental property.

I want to retire early and want to have something to do (within the next 3 years) so I kind of want to keep my properties.

There is no right or wrong answer... but I will tell you this... IT IS TEMPTING.

ALSO... there will NOT be a 2008 crisis again... real estate prices may fall but may fall just a little (15%???)
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06-18-2021 at 01:17 PM.
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Quote from Grinner :
Well you can't really avoid CGT although you can mitigate it by increasing your basis. Another option is a cash-out refi and using that money to buy more rentals.
Would you buy a rental in today's market? I THINK NOT.
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06-18-2021 at 05:09 PM.
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Would you buy a rental in today's market? I THINK NOT.

Why not? Not everywhere is overpriced. People still need to rent in Dirtwater, Illinois.
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06-23-2021 at 04:12 AM.
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Quote from komondor :
Sell his current house move into the rental then when he can sell without capitol gains sell that too.

You still pay capital gains pro rata when it wasn't your primary residence
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komondor
06-23-2021 at 06:23 AM.
06-23-2021 at 06:23 AM.
If you live in it for 2 years you skip capitol gains

One strategy for paying less tax is to move back into your rental and use the property as a primary residence before selling. Living in your rental full-time for at least two years prior to selling can help you take advantage of the gain exclusion of $500,000 ($250,000 if single), which can wipe out all or most of your gain on the property.
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06-25-2021 at 07:05 PM.
06-25-2021 at 07:05 PM.
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Why not? Not everywhere is overpriced. People still need to rent in Dirtwater, Illinois.
My very wealthy relative who made millions on real-estate once told me...

"You make money on Real Estate BY BUYING LOW!"

In today's market there is no much that is low. And can you give me an idea about a NOT Overpriced piece of real estate? I think not.

ALSO... my philosophy is one bathroom and one kitchen is ONE headache. You really don't want this headache if you are not profiting $500/mnth. So the cheapest rents in IL is about $400 for a studio... HOW MUCH A MONTH CAN YOU MAKE ON THAT?
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