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Samsung.com offers Eligible Samsung Education / Employee Discount Customers: 2TB Samsung 870 QVO Series 2.5" MLC V-Nand Internal Solid State Drive (MZ-77Q2T0B/AM) on sale for $161.99 when you follow instructions below. Shipping is free.

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Deal Instructions:
  1. Sign in with your eligible Samsung account that qualifies for Samsung Education or Employee Perks Program (EPP) Discounts
    • EDU Discount Members: Click here while signed-in to activate your EDU discount
    • EPP Discount Members: Click here while signed-in to activate your EPP discount
  2. Click here for 2TB Samsung 870 QVO Series 2.5" MLC V-Nand Internal Solid State Drive
  3. Add to cart
  4. Proceed to checkout
  5. Your total will be $161.99 + free shipping.
About the Product:
  • 2TB capacity
  • Samsung 4-Bit MLC V-NAND
  • Up to 560 MBps Max Sequential Read Speeds
  • Up to 530 MBps Max Sequential Write Speeds
  • 2.5" SATA Form Factor
  • Improved random access speed/sustained performance
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SAMSUNG 870 QVO SATA III 2.5" SSD 2TB

only $161 with EDU discount Not as good as the Amazon deal from March, but $161 is still pretty decent.

https://www.samsung.com/us/comput...7q2t0b-am/

**warranty is only 3-year**


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There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.

Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC

QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)
Devil's advocate: because it's cheaper memory and it's not intended to survive enthusiast use like TLC and MLC (higher quality chips). This is a business decision. You wouldn't sell a cow and warrant that it could fly.
Still waiting to replace my 1TB nvme ssd I bought three years ago for $69. Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron please stop colluding to milk the consumer at 1-2TB kkthx. We are ready to be cheated at 4-8TB.

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phantom76
06-15-2021 at 05:34 PM.
06-15-2021 at 05:34 PM.
Looks like deal is dead. Don't see an add to cart option, but "where to buy".
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FrozenBeer
06-15-2021 at 06:11 PM.
06-15-2021 at 06:11 PM.
Quote from phantom76 :
Looks like deal is dead. Don't see an add to cart option, but "where to buy".
saw someone else posting about this on another forum.... not really sure why anybody would by 10 at a time... my PC doesn't even have more than 4 SATA ports....
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06-15-2021 at 06:47 PM.
06-15-2021 at 06:47 PM.
Quote from FrozenBeer :
I had two of the Crucial SSDs in two different computers that went bad without any warning. First one was after 4 month and the second was after 6 months.(both within the same year) Fortunately I have been backing up my data religiously ever since 4 years ago when I lost almost 10 years of digital photos/videos. Frown
What models were they? I've had several crucial ssds over the years and they've all been solid. We're they cheaper models like this Samsung one? And why wouldn't you have your 10 years of photos backed up somewhere? That kind of stuff I have multiple copies of.
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06-15-2021 at 07:24 PM.
06-15-2021 at 07:24 PM.
Quote from Solandri :
There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.
  • Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
  • MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
  • TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
  • QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
  • PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC
QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)
Don't listen to this guy. This guy doesn't know about SSD.
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booboloo
06-15-2021 at 07:31 PM.
06-15-2021 at 07:31 PM.
Quote from elnino2783 :
I just need gaming storage. Is this any good for that?
what's what qlc is for.
go look up the benchmarks, gameload on ssd is at placebo difference.
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ConFu
06-15-2021 at 07:47 PM.
06-15-2021 at 07:47 PM.
Quote from Luis19 :
Can this be use as extended hard disk drive for ps5?
For PS4 games yes, for PS5 games no.
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justanothergeek
06-15-2021 at 08:53 PM.
06-15-2021 at 08:53 PM.
Quote from Routefinder :
Don't listen to this guy. This guy doesn't know about SSD.
Really? Cause I'm having a tough time seeing the glaring discrepancies...

https://www.techradar.com/news/na...-explained

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell

https://nascompares.com/2021/04/0...lc-vs-qlc/

Are you saying to completely disregard all of the info in the post simply because you disagree that the chips aren't the same between MLC/TLC/QLC/PLC? If that's the case, some supporting info would be very helpful.

This is what I found and seems to support the claim that at least in the case of Samsung EVO vs QVO, the NAND is actually the same product:
https://www.xbitlabs.com/v-nand-vs-3d-nand/

From this article, the 970 EVO and QVO both use the same Pheonix controller:
https://www.partitionwizard.com/c...s-evo.html

Would love to be proven wrong 'cause I'll learn.
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Bobdo
06-15-2021 at 09:15 PM.
06-15-2021 at 09:15 PM.
Quote from justanothergeek :
Really? Cause I'm having a tough time seeing the glaring discrepancies...

https://www.techradar.com/news/na...-explained [techradar.com]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell

https://nascompares.com/2021/04/0...lc-vs-qlc/ [nascompares.com]

Are you saying to completely disregard all of the info in the post simply because you disagree that the chips aren't the same between MLC/TLC/QLC/PLC? If that's the case, some supporting info would be very helpful.

This is what I found and seems to support the claim that at least in the case of Samsung EVO vs QVO, the NAND is actually the same product:
https://www.xbitlabs.com/v-nand-vs-3d-nand/

From this article, the 970 EVO and QVO both use the same Pheonix controller:
https://www.partitionwizard.com/c...s-evo.html [partitionwizard.com]

Would love to be proven wrong 'cause I'll learn.
I think he was being facetious
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06-15-2021 at 10:39 PM.
06-15-2021 at 10:39 PM.
Quote from ConFu :
For PS4 games yes, for PS5 games no.

I mean ps5 doesn't allow you to play it from but to save it.
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06-15-2021 at 11:05 PM.
06-15-2021 at 11:05 PM.
Quote from SlickDealir :
Hence, they're cheaper (sorry I couldn't type as many words LOL)
good, rewriting wikipedia is...... not a good thing.
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06-16-2021 at 10:29 AM.
06-16-2021 at 10:29 AM.
Quote from Solandri :
There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.
  • Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
  • MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
  • TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
  • QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
  • PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC
QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)
As someone in the electronics industry who sees confusion around this daily: well done! This should be a sticky on every SSD thread. (And someone get this person an Expert badge for NAND mastery.)
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I think you owe Solandri a bit more credit than that. So many comments on SD are "thanks but no thanks..." or "wish it was better..." and I often wonder why people need to push "submit" on a post that offers no value to the community at large. Solandri puts quite a bit of effort into a post that actually helps people learn and your response is "I said the same thing with fewer words.."? really?
Really 😆
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06-16-2021 at 10:52 PM.
06-16-2021 at 10:52 PM.
Back in stock now on Samsung website. Plus the R cashback site that cannot be named has 15% cash back right now for Samsung.
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saw someone else posting about this on another forum.... not really sure why anybody would by 10 at a time... my PC doesn't even have more than 4 SATA ports....
You can buy 6 port sata pci-e cards you know...
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Thanks OP...Got one for my laptop.
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