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I don't know that much about this. Sharing here to get some feedback. It seems it is highr than CD

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Tax Considerations
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jeffsnyder
09-27-2022 at 06:40 AM.
09-27-2022 at 06:40 AM.
Quote from EBGwd :
I bought 2yr cd at 4.2% last week. Figure it will be 2 yr before "fruit loops" is gone and we go back to sanity.
Let's Go "Fruit Loops"! That's a new one.
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09-27-2022 at 08:20 AM.
09-27-2022 at 08:20 AM.
Quote from BraveWing3390 :
Despite any gains, I won't invest in a corrupt Treasury manipulating our currency. Read into such investments before you hand your money over to a system screwing you, daily.
LOL! It looks like you signed up for SlickDeals just to make this comment... LMAO
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TMA-1
09-27-2022 at 10:14 AM.
09-27-2022 at 10:14 AM.
Quote from GimmeYoTots :
Keep in mind that buying a T Bill, today, or near term, would be buying a bill in a market where the Fed is clearly set on increasing interest rates AT LEAST in 2 more cycles. Next rate increase should be 75 basis point or 0.75%.

Now, that expected increase may be priced into the current offering (ie, the discount off par) - Fed Funds Rate is currently 3.25% and current online yield info shows a one year T Bill yielding 4.15% (1 bps higher than OP's post). So, a 1 yr Bill is trading at 90 bps over Fed Funds Rate. That's high… but, again, rates are almost guaranteed to increase another 75 bps at the next Fed meeting, which is Nov 1/2. The next Fed meeting after that, is Dec 13/14. Soooo, if you lock in for a year at 4.14%, and the Fed increases rates 75 bps in Nov and another 50-75 bps in Dec, then in just 3 months Fed Funds Rate could be as much as 4.75% before 2022 is even over.

If the Fed Funds Rate is 4.75%, then even a small spread on the T Bill yield vs Fed Rate could be 25 bps *if* the market believes big Fed Rate Increases are over and inflation stabilizes (possibly due to a recession)… meaning a T Bill could yield 5% +, easily, as early as late Dec 2022, this year. So, again, just food for thought… 4.14 or 4.15% is a good rate for right now, but this is only on a 1 yr Bill, and depending on the economy and inflation, who knows how high rates could go by Sept 2023 when a 1 yr T Bill bought today would finally mature. By then, even $1 par Money Market Bank Accounts could be paying 5% +.

So, all of the above is not to say that if you have a lot of spare change that you should NOT park it in a T Bill… it's just to say, maybe consider taking a lower yield on a shorter term Bill (vs a 1 yr) and then looking at buying in sometime in late Dec 2022 or early 1st quarter 2023. It just doesn't seem to me that a 4.14% return is great in market conditions where inflation is 8% + a month, and the Fed has all but telegraphed future rate increases that will likely be 100 bps (1%) or more.

My 2 pennies….

If the Fed cared about inflation they would unwind their balance sheet (sell off the treasuries they hold) - this would sop up the liquidity they injected into the market - there's been $5T of QE since the pandemic began, March 2020 had $4T alone - reducing the excess liquidity would control spending and allow effective interest rates (not the Fed funds rate) to normalize while giving the Fed room to print more when they need to
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Flawless700
09-27-2022 at 05:13 PM.
09-27-2022 at 05:13 PM.
Bunch of wannabe economists in here. Don't take the advice of some random slickdealers!
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09-27-2022 at 10:17 PM.
09-27-2022 at 10:17 PM.
Is there any that is not taxed at both Fed and State (CA specifically)?
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spoolin01
09-27-2022 at 11:47 PM.
09-27-2022 at 11:47 PM.
Quote from SiennaVolcano :
Is there any that is not taxed at both Fed and State (CA specifically)?
Only CA municipal bonds, that I know of. But you'll get a correspondingly lower interest rate, so unless you're in a really high bracket, it won't make much difference after taxes.
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09-28-2022 at 12:19 PM.
09-28-2022 at 12:19 PM.
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Bunch of wannabe economists in here. Don't take the advice of some random slickdealers!
That's right! Make sure they are a Journeyman or higher!!!! LMAO
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09-28-2022 at 06:17 PM.
09-28-2022 at 06:17 PM.
Quote from KnightStar :
FYI: It is predicted to be in the 6% range the next six months (Source [fool.com]). Caveats include, but not limited to * Not allowed to withdraw in the 1st year, and * last 6 months of interest is forfeited if withdrawn within 5 years.

There is also a way to put in more than 10k by using tax return to purchase, you can fill out a form (bureaucracy, yuck) to "overpay" your taxes and us it to buy an additional 5k iirc.
fool.com is aptly named.
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deelznutz
09-28-2022 at 06:19 PM.
09-28-2022 at 06:19 PM.
Quote from muthukumaran.1234 :
Thanks, i was going to mention the same. On the govt website, looks like the govt operates the website out of another domain aswell, https://www.treasurydirect.gov/
Got a couple of brokers here.
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09-28-2022 at 06:26 PM.
09-28-2022 at 06:26 PM.
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Can you buy a new batch of -bonds each year, or once you have maxed out at !0K can you not purchase any more until you cash them out?
Yes, it's 10k per year. The only downside is the website is pure sh*t. They still have the old "security feature" of using your mouse to enter your password.
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if200
09-29-2022 at 11:45 AM.
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Penalty if you cash them in before 5 years is the last three months, not six months, of interest.
If the interest rate has gone down enough that you want to cash them in then that three months of interest will be negligible.
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09-29-2022 at 01:41 PM.
09-29-2022 at 01:41 PM.
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If you are looking to stash ~10k, then I-bonds (also available at treasury direct) is a better bet - 9.62% annualized for the next 6 months (and good chance of a similar high rate for the next 6 months). This can scale beyond 10k depending on the size of the family.

What's the deal with getting family members to gift you and gift them back? Does it have to be spouses and children? Or can siblings do it?
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09-29-2022 at 11:32 PM.
09-29-2022 at 11:32 PM.
Quote from Dragon38 :
What's the deal with getting family members to gift you and gift them back? Does it have to be spouses and children? Or can siblings do it?
A. You straight up open account for people in your household - spouse, children, then each can buy 10k per year
B. You buy additional 10K bonds as gifts for others now (to lock in the current rate), and then gift it to them next year. The 10k annual limit per individual includes bonds purchased and gifts received in a year
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JeremyC4542
09-30-2022 at 09:52 AM.
09-30-2022 at 09:52 AM.
Quote from GimmeYoTots :
Keep in mind that buying a T Bill, today, or near term, would be buying a bill in a market where the Fed is clearly set on increasing interest rates AT LEAST in 2 more cycles. Next rate increase should be 75 basis point or 0.75%.

Now, that expected increase may be priced into the current offering (ie, the discount off par) - Fed Funds Rate is currently 3.25% and current online yield info shows a one year T Bill yielding 4.15% (1 bps higher than OP's post). So, a 1 yr Bill is trading at 90 bps over Fed Funds Rate. That's high… but, again, rates are almost guaranteed to increase another 75 bps at the next Fed meeting, which is Nov 1/2. The next Fed meeting after that, is Dec 13/14. Soooo, if you lock in for a year at 4.14%, and the Fed increases rates 75 bps in Nov and another 50-75 bps in Dec, then in just 3 months Fed Funds Rate could be as much as 4.75% before 2022 is even over.

If the Fed Funds Rate is 4.75%, then even a small spread on the T Bill yield vs Fed Rate could be 25 bps *if* the market believes big Fed Rate Increases are over and inflation stabilizes (possibly due to a recession)… meaning a T Bill could yield 5% +, easily, as early as late Dec 2022, this year. So, again, just food for thought… 4.14 or 4.15% is a good rate for right now, but this is only on a 1 yr Bill, and depending on the economy and inflation, who knows how high rates could go by Sept 2023 when a 1 yr T Bill bought today would finally mature. By then, even $1 par Money Market Bank Accounts could be paying 5% +.

So, all of the above is not to say that if you have a lot of spare change that you should NOT park it in a T Bill… it's just to say, maybe consider taking a lower yield on a shorter term Bill (vs a 1 yr) and then looking at buying in sometime in late Dec 2022 or early 1st quarter 2023. It just doesn't seem to me that a 4.14% return is great in market conditions where inflation is 8% + a month, and the Fed has all but telegraphed future rate increases that will likely be 100 bps (1%) or more.

My 2 pennies….
Thanks! This is very helpful!!!
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JeremyC4542
09-30-2022 at 09:55 AM.
09-30-2022 at 09:55 AM.
Quote from deelznutz :
Yes, it's 10k per year. The only downside is the website is pure sh*t. They still have the old "security feature" of using your mouse to enter your password.
Actually, this is a high-security system as it needs to be with the money floating around in there. Yes, the clicking on the keyboard is a pain but it keeps keystroke loggers from being able to capture your login.
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