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Turntables/record players from Crosley & Victrola as low as $22.49

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Jan 12, 2024
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AcuteFlastro13
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank AcuteFlastro13

Tread carefully, IMO. In my experience as a electronics & vinyl/CD dealer, these turntables (Crosley / Victrola) are manufactured poorly, do not produce quality sound and can cause damage to your records. These seem to break down easily due to the high proportion of plastic components within, and the stylus (if you want to call it that) is bare bones lowest quality, especially in Crosley gear. If you wish to introduce a child to a stereo system, this might be the time to do it but please do not play your expensive vinyl on these poorly constructed things- you'll regret it if you ever upgrade and try to play those same records on your new gear and hear nothing but damaged vinyl.....again, IMO.
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hype
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Quote from AcuteFlastro13 :
Tread carefully, IMO. In my experience as a electronics & vinyl/CD dealer, these turntables (Crosley / Victrola) are manufactured poorly, do not produce quality sound and can cause damage to your records. These seem to break down easily due to the high proportion of plastic components within, and the stylus (if you want to call it that) is bare bones lowest quality, especially in Crosley gear. If you wish to introduce a child to a stereo system, this might be the time to do it but please do not play your expensive vinyl on these poorly constructed things- you'll regret it if you ever upgrade and try to play those same records on your new gear and hear nothing but damaged vinyl.....again, IMO.
There's tons of evidence at this point that it absolutely damages your Vinyl from written studies to actual videos that magnify enough to see it digging into and many times even shaving the vinyl in real time.. When the actual player is cheaper then a new single album it usually means it's bottom of the barrel. 95% of complaints about skips in reviews are because of these players, people pay $40 for a record and wonder why it doesn't sound very good on there $20 player haha. Like you said, if you're simply introducing a child to vinyl and using bargain bin level already damaged records then I can kind of see a reason to get one of these but anything else and it's just a complete waste of money. Vinyl can still be the best option to listen to a lot of music but if you can't afford anything better you should just stick to steaming/cd's as they would both be a huge upgrade over these players. I had a cousin that was disgusted when She found out how damaged all her records were because of a Crosley that she just threw in the towel and game up Vinyl altogether which was kind of sad to see but understandable.
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rootbear
Jan 12, 2024
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Good turntables have forever never been cheap, same goes for cartridges and styluses. From 50 years ago to today. If you want to enjoy vinyl, you gotta pay. And don't forget the cleaners and brushes and anti-static...
Jan 12, 2024
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WiseMallard500
Jan 12, 2024
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This would be a great opportunity for a youtuber to pick one of these up and then mod it to see how good the sound could possible be lol. Replace the tone arm, cartridge, insulate the plinth, update the platter, rewire it.... any takers???
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aagstn
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Quote from WiseMallard500 :
This would be a great opportunity for a youtuber to pick one of these up and then mod it to see how good the sound could possible be lol. Replace the tone arm, cartridge, insulate the plinth, update the platter, rewire it.... any takers???
These are designed to use ceramic cartridges. I don't think they can easily be changed to use a moving magnetic cartridge and why would you even want to bother? Just get a moving magnet suitcase player. Crosley makes one and it would be cheaper than replacing all the components.

Sound quality is the drawback of these as ceramic cartridges do not sound as good. As far as them damaging records, that is BS and it has been proven time and again it is BS. These have a tracking force of around 5 grams which is what we had on cheap players in the 80s and it didn't damage our records then. That is within the specs for vinyl.

All vinyl records wear with each play so by the logic being used here, every record player damages records. These are fine to use as long as you understand the sound limitations.
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truckin76
Jan 12, 2024
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Vinyl scrapers and tape eaters, stay away..
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Quote from AcuteFlastro13 :
Tread carefully, IMO. In my experience as a electronics & vinyl/CD dealer, these turntables (Crosley / Victrola) are manufactured poorly, do not produce quality sound and can cause damage to your records. These seem to break down easily due to the high proportion of plastic components within, and the stylus (if you want to call it that) is bare bones lowest quality, especially in Crosley gear. If you wish to introduce a child to a stereo system, this might be the time to do it but please do not play your expensive vinyl on these poorly constructed things- you'll regret it if you ever upgrade and try to play those same records on your new gear and hear nothing but damaged vinyl.....again, IMO.
I appreciate the feedback, I'm just dipping my toe back in vinyl so I don't know much about which brands are reputable.

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Quote from hype :
There's tons of evidence at this point that it absolutely damages your Vinyl from written studies to actual videos that magnify enough to see it digging into and many times even shaving the vinyl in real time..
And yet these 'studies' are never posted with these comments, the source is always "Trust me bro, I know all about vynils!"

Suitcase players generally sound like ass, due to the needle and cartridge setup and cheap speakers that barely deserve the name, but they're not screwing up your records. A ceramic cart with a diamond needle tracking at 5-6 grams, which is what all these have, would take literally thousands of spins over years to do any audible damage to a record.

I wouldn't recommend buying one of these, they sound terrible. If you absolutely have to have an all-in-one for some reason, go buy a Victrola Eastwood (The one linked here is not an Eastwood) or a Mykesonic on Amazon. They'll cost you more, but they'll sound better. If you do buy one of these, though, play your records on it. It's not gonna hurt anything except your ears.
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Jan 13, 2024
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hype
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Quote from ShrewdNarwhal844 :
And yet these 'studies' are never posted with these comments, the source is always "Trust me bro, I know all about vynils!"

Suitcase players generally sound like ass, due to the needle and cartridge setup and cheap speakers that barely deserve the name, but they're not screwing up your records. A ceramic cart with a diamond needle tracking at 5-6 grams, which is what all these have, would take literally thousands of spins over years to do any audible damage to a record.

I wouldn't recommend buying one of these, they sound terrible. If you absolutely have to have an all-in-one for some reason, go buy a Victrola Eastwood (The one linked here is not an Eastwood) or a Mykesonic on Amazon. They'll cost you more, but they'll sound better. If you do buy one of these, though, play your records on it. It's not gonna hurt anything except your ears.
There's plenty of actual video evidence of people doing hands on studies if you look around.. I'm def. not going to go dig for the links for someone like you but they're not hard to find at all.. Not sure wtf you are going on about that whole weirdo "Trust me bro" thing.. Hard disagree it would take "thousands of plays".. It's likely not going to be obvious after just a hand full of playbacks but def. not "thousands".. Pretty horrible advice all around from you honestly but do what you want..
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Quote from hype :
There's plenty of actual video evidence of people doing hands on studies if you look around.. I'm def. not going to go dig for the links for someone like you but they're not hard to find at all.. Not sure wtf you are going on about that whole weirdo "Trust me bro" thing.. Hard disagree it would take "thousands of plays".. It's likely not going to be obvious after just a hand full of playbacks but def. not "thousands".. Pretty horrible advice all around from you honestly but do what you want..
Why would one of these damage a record? If it's a worn out sapphire stylus cutting up the grooves that is valid. However, most of these have diamonds and will last for thousands of records. The cheap sapphire thing was more of an issue with them 10 years ago, but people should check for this when setting them up. Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records. Diamond ceramic replacements are cheap.

It is a tone arm sitting on a record with 5-6 grams of force. That is very standard and what low end turntables have applied for decades. They are designed to take more force than that. If using a proper diamond stylus, how is it damaging the vinyl?

As far as the proof, I have seen tests from people on youtube like VWestlife trying to damage records with Crosleys and other cheap turntables and they couldn't do it. They had to up the pressure on the tone arm to double the force to finally be able to hear any real wear on the record.

Records were never designed for audiophiles to play on their feather light touch turntables. They were designed to be durable enough to be used in jukeboxes and consumer turntables for thousands of plays. The only crime a suitcase player will commit is on your ear drums. A suitcase player is fine as a starter record player and for someone just listening casually it might be all they ever need.
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ShrewdNarwhal844
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Quote from hype :
There's plenty of actual video evidence of people doing hands on studies if you look around.. I'm def. not going to go dig for the links for someone like you but they're not hard to find at all.. Not sure wtf you are going on about that whole weirdo "Trust me bro" thing.. Hard disagree it would take "thousands of plays".. It's likely not going to be obvious after just a hand full of playbacks but def. not "thousands".. Pretty horrible advice all around from you honestly but do what you want..
And still not a link to be found.
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AcuteFlastro13
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Quote from ShrewdNarwhal844 :
And still not a link to be found.
Funny how you're asking for a link but not proving one to support your argument....
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AcuteFlastro13
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Quote from aagstn :
Why would one of these damage a record? If it's a worn out sapphire stylus cutting up the grooves that is valid. However, most of these have diamonds and will last for thousands of records. The cheap sapphire thing was more of an issue with them 10 years ago, but people should check for this when setting them up. Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records. Diamond ceramic replacements are cheap.

It is a tone arm sitting on a record with 5-6 grams of force. That is very standard and what low end turntables have applied for decades. They are designed to take more force than that. If using a proper diamond stylus, how is it damaging the vinyl?

As far as the proof, I have seen tests from people on youtube like VWestlife trying to damage records with Crosleys and other cheap turntables and they couldn't do it. They had to up the pressure on the tone arm to double the force to finally be able to hear any real wear on the record.

Records were never designed for audiophiles to play on their feather light touch turntables. They were designed to be durable enough to be used in jukeboxes and consumer turntables for thousands of plays. The only crime a suitcase player will commit is on your ear drums. A suitcase player is fine as a starter record player and for someone just listening casually it might be all they ever need.
According to Crosley, all of their current line of turntables have either sapphire or diamond styluses.
https://www.crosleyradio.eu/blogs...ord-player

And frankly, if your recommendation is to "Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records", then, frankly, isn't that an indicator that those are subpar quality and can indeed cause damage? Who in their right mind changes a needle every 20 records? Come on, man, the average Joe who buys this $99 record player isn't going to do that, is he?
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Quote from AcuteFlastro13 :
According to Crosley, all of their current line of turntables have either sapphire or diamond styluses.
https://www.crosleyradio.eu/blogs...ord-player

And frankly, if your recommendation is to "Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records", then, frankly, isn't that an indicator that those are subpar quality and can indeed cause damage? Who in their right mind changes a needle every 20 records? Come on, man, the average Joe who buys this $99 record player isn't going to do that, is he?
There are a few channels that review the suitcase players and they usually either come with the diamond one installed or the diamond is in the package and it instructs the user to install it. If people don't want to and just use the sapphire one without changing it then that will eventually start cutting up records.

I agree some people aren't going to read the instructions or change the stylus and that probably is where all this "suitcase players damage records" comes from. No idea why some of these still include a sapphire stylus. My first suitcase player for 45s came with one in 1978 and if my dad hadn't known to swap it with a diamond I would have definitely destroyed my 45s as a kid. I wasn't reading manuals at 7.
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AcuteFlastro13
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Quote from aagstn :
There are a few channels that review the suitcase players and they usually either come with the diamond one installed or the diamond is in the package and it instructs the user to install it. If people don't want to and just use the sapphire one without changing it then that will eventually start cutting up records.

I agree some people aren't going to read the instructions or change the stylus and that probably is where all this "suitcase players damage records" comes from. No idea why some of these still include a sapphire stylus. My first suitcase player for 45s came with one in 1978 and if my dad hadn't known to swap it with a diamond I would have definitely destroyed my 45s as a kid. I wasn't reading manuals at 7.
Digging around, I've found a couple of "reviews" of Crosley gear by seemingly competent forums (although you never know exactly how they are funded), and this one indicates that this popular model (available at places like Urban Outfitters and Home Depot!) has issues with tone arm down force at 7g, WAY higher than more standard units, which can and does lead to early wear on your vinyl.
https://www.whathifi.com/crosley/cruiser/review

So I feel comfortable even more than before in standing behind my "tread lightly" comment here due to poor quality build, poor quality sound and the probable-not possible- wear on your records at an earlier time than is expected with quality gear.

To respond to your statement that you have no idea why they continue to use sapphire styluses, I'd wager that it would be a monetary decision. Same as why you would choose to implant electronic components in plastic rather than metal or resin. When you're marketing this gear at the low prices they do, around $99 or under for many of them, then your cost has to be under $25 in order to earn a profit.

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