expired Posted by EltonEast • Jan 11, 2024
Jan 11, 2024 4:45 PM
expired Posted by EltonEast • Jan 11, 2024
Jan 11, 2024 4:45 PM
Turntables/record players from Crosley & Victrola as low as $22.49
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Sound quality is the drawback of these as ceramic cartridges do not sound as good. As far as them damaging records, that is BS and it has been proven time and again it is BS. These have a tracking force of around 5 grams which is what we had on cheap players in the 80s and it didn't damage our records then. That is within the specs for vinyl.
All vinyl records wear with each play so by the logic being used here, every record player damages records. These are fine to use as long as you understand the sound limitations.
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Suitcase players generally sound like ass, due to the needle and cartridge setup and cheap speakers that barely deserve the name, but they're not screwing up your records. A ceramic cart with a diamond needle tracking at 5-6 grams, which is what all these have, would take literally thousands of spins over years to do any audible damage to a record.
I wouldn't recommend buying one of these, they sound terrible. If you absolutely have to have an all-in-one for some reason, go buy a Victrola Eastwood (The one linked here is not an Eastwood) or a Mykesonic on Amazon. They'll cost you more, but they'll sound better. If you do buy one of these, though, play your records on it. It's not gonna hurt anything except your ears.
Suitcase players generally sound like ass, due to the needle and cartridge setup and cheap speakers that barely deserve the name, but they're not screwing up your records. A ceramic cart with a diamond needle tracking at 5-6 grams, which is what all these have, would take literally thousands of spins over years to do any audible damage to a record.
I wouldn't recommend buying one of these, they sound terrible. If you absolutely have to have an all-in-one for some reason, go buy a Victrola Eastwood (The one linked here is not an Eastwood) or a Mykesonic on Amazon. They'll cost you more, but they'll sound better. If you do buy one of these, though, play your records on it. It's not gonna hurt anything except your ears.
It is a tone arm sitting on a record with 5-6 grams of force. That is very standard and what low end turntables have applied for decades. They are designed to take more force than that. If using a proper diamond stylus, how is it damaging the vinyl?
As far as the proof, I have seen tests from people on youtube like VWestlife trying to damage records with Crosleys and other cheap turntables and they couldn't do it. They had to up the pressure on the tone arm to double the force to finally be able to hear any real wear on the record.
Records were never designed for audiophiles to play on their feather light touch turntables. They were designed to be durable enough to be used in jukeboxes and consumer turntables for thousands of plays. The only crime a suitcase player will commit is on your ear drums. A suitcase player is fine as a starter record player and for someone just listening casually it might be all they ever need.
It is a tone arm sitting on a record with 5-6 grams of force. That is very standard and what low end turntables have applied for decades. They are designed to take more force than that. If using a proper diamond stylus, how is it damaging the vinyl?
As far as the proof, I have seen tests from people on youtube like VWestlife trying to damage records with Crosleys and other cheap turntables and they couldn't do it. They had to up the pressure on the tone arm to double the force to finally be able to hear any real wear on the record.
Records were never designed for audiophiles to play on their feather light touch turntables. They were designed to be durable enough to be used in jukeboxes and consumer turntables for thousands of plays. The only crime a suitcase player will commit is on your ear drums. A suitcase player is fine as a starter record player and for someone just listening casually it might be all they ever need.
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And frankly, if your recommendation is to "Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records", then, frankly, isn't that an indicator that those are subpar quality and can indeed cause damage? Who in their right mind changes a needle every 20 records? Come on, man, the average Joe who buys this $99 record player isn't going to do that, is he?
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And frankly, if your recommendation is to "Always replace a sapphire after 20 or so records", then, frankly, isn't that an indicator that those are subpar quality and can indeed cause damage? Who in their right mind changes a needle every 20 records? Come on, man, the average Joe who buys this $99 record player isn't going to do that, is he?
I agree some people aren't going to read the instructions or change the stylus and that probably is where all this "suitcase players damage records" comes from. No idea why some of these still include a sapphire stylus. My first suitcase player for 45s came with one in 1978 and if my dad hadn't known to swap it with a diamond I would have definitely destroyed my 45s as a kid. I wasn't reading manuals at 7.
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I agree some people aren't going to read the instructions or change the stylus and that probably is where all this "suitcase players damage records" comes from. No idea why some of these still include a sapphire stylus. My first suitcase player for 45s came with one in 1978 and if my dad hadn't known to swap it with a diamond I would have definitely destroyed my 45s as a kid. I wasn't reading manuals at 7.
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So I feel comfortable even more than before in standing behind my "tread lightly" comment here due to poor quality build, poor quality sound and the probable-not possible- wear on your records at an earlier time than is expected with quality gear.
To respond to your statement that you have no idea why they continue to use sapphire styluses, I'd wager that it would be a monetary decision. Same as why you would choose to implant electronic components in plastic rather than metal or resin. When you're marketing this gear at the low prices they do, around $99 or under for many of them, then your cost has to be under $25 in order to earn a profit.
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