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Jabbit 10,919 1,370 March 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM in Other
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Let's keep firearm related talk all in one thread, so as not to bother anyone Cutie

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Want to stick with .40 to match the 229, so the only two I was really looking at were the P224 and the P239. P239 fits better in my hand.

I am very pissed that I can't get a Maten. As it is, I have two lowers that I have paid for that I haven't received yet. There is a question about whether I will be able to receive them with these new laws in CT.
What lowers are you waiting on, out of curiousity? That Shadow Ops billet preorder by any chance?
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What lowers are you waiting on, out of curiousity? That Shadow Ops billet preorder by any chance?
Wow. You are on the ball. The mockups look sweet. It was going to be my first build and be MY rifle what with the customization. I have faith in Shadow Ops, but no faith in my state government.
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Wow. You are on the ball. The mockups look sweet. It was going to be my first build and be MY rifle what with the customization. I have faith in Shadow Ops, but no faith in my state government.
What spot are you? It looks like they are still taking orders, but not sure if that is accurate.

If it gets to the point where you can't take it, let me know. I live in a nearby state and perhaps we can work something out.
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How will I be able to tell the difference between polymer and aluminum when I fire one? Not saying you are wrong, just wondering what the difference would be. I have actually never fired a polymer one so I have nothing to compare my experiences to.
I own a few aluminum along with one ATI polymer that I paid ~$40 for just to try out. Depending on how you build the rifle you may notice no difference at all. I used the polymer to build a cheap light weight rifle (pencil barrel, no extra crap) and I love the thing for hog hunting. When you are crawling through palmettos and trudging thru swamp land for hours it is nice to have a light gun. I'm not at all saying it is better than aluminum, but I do think a lot of the bad rap comes from the over and over regurgitation of internet warriors that have probably never touched one; as many readily admit because they are such "crap". If you intend to take it into battle and constantly be taking it down and putting it back together and shooting thousands of rounds on a regular basis the shortcomings may begin to show sooner. For the average shooter, I doubt every single polymer lower spectacularly explodes within the first 5 rounds as the interwebz would lead you to believe.

If you have it, I'd definitely build on it (or sell it for quadruple or more than what you paid Big Grin). Just keep an eye out for any stress fractures and if it does begin to crack, switch the guts over to aluminum lower (if you can find one).

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I've seen several break all in the same spot. Some manufacturers are better than others, but if there is no reinforcing done by the buffer tube threads, that is where they break. Some have had better luck running strictly 22 on a polymer lower. I personally wouldnt trust it. For a bit more you can have a quality forged lower.
You have personally seen several break/broken? I do agree about the manufactures to some extent, especially some of the earlier versions. With Vulcan/Hesse (which is what your pic shows, taken in 2007) being bottom of the barrel. I've seen pictures on multiple different forums the last few years, but they seem to be the same handful of pictures hashed over time and time again with at least one instance turning out to be user error. I'm in no way a proponent of polymer lowers, but if the man already has a the lower I see absolutely no reason to not build on it. I have seen plenty of reports of people sending thousands of rounds down range with their polymer lowers still going strong.
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I own a few aluminum along with one ATI polymer that I paid ~$40 for just to try out. Depending on how you build the rifle you may notice no difference at all. I used the polymer to build a cheap light weight rifle (pencil barrel, no extra crap) and I love the thing for hog hunting. When you are crawling through palmettos and trudging thru swamp land for hours it is nice to have a light gun. I'm not at all saying it is better than aluminum, but I do think a lot of the bad rap comes from the over and over regurgitation of internet warriors that have probably never touched one; as many readily admit because they are such "crap". If you intend to take it into battle and constantly be taking it down and putting it back together and shooting thousands of rounds on a regular basis the shortcomings may begin to show sooner. For the average shooter, I doubt every single polymer lower spectacularly explodes within the first 5 rounds as the interwebz would lead you to believe.

If you have it, I'd definitely build on it (or sell it for quadruple or more than what you paid Big Grin). Just keep an eye out for any stress fractures and if it does begin to crack, switch the guts over to aluminum lower (if you can find one).
Thanks for the info. That is the brand, I remember now - ATI. I figure worst case is, it breaks! No big deal.
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Wow. You are on the ball. The mockups look sweet. It was going to be my first build and be MY rifle what with the customization. I have faith in Shadow Ops, but no faith in my state government.
I thought that might be it. I've got two coming from them as well. Considered ordering one of their AR-10 lowers. I'm someone in the mid 3000's I think. I'd have to look to be sure. I don't know what I would want engraved on mine. Considering just using the sniper spade they have normally. You planning on getting the matching upper from them?
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I thought that might be it. I've got two coming from them as well. Considered ordering one of their AR-10 lowers. I'm someone in the mid 3000's I think. I'd have to look to be sure. I don't know what I would want engraved on mine. Considering just using the sniper spade they have normally. You planning on getting the matching upper from them?
I was planning on getting the matching upper. Considering the BCG as well, but those seem to be becoming more available. Of course, this was all before the state decided to revoke the 2nd ammendment. By the letter of the law it may be illegal for me to buy stripped uppers. As it is, I dont know if I am going to be able to transfer the two lowers into my name. I am in the 2600s for one and 3600s for one. Was going to go custom on the first, and get the spade on the second. Once the dust settles here, and we get an accurate explanation of what we can and cannot do now, I'll know more. It is very aggravating being in this state of limbo though.
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I was planning on getting the matching upper. Considering the BCG as well, but those seem to be becoming more available. Of course, this was all before the state decided to revoke the 2nd ammendment. By the letter of the law it may be illegal for me to buy stripped uppers. As it is, I dont know if I am going to be able to transfer the two lowers into my name. I am in the 2600s for one and 3600s for one. Was going to go custom on the first, and get the spade on the second. Once the dust settles here, and we get an accurate explanation of what we can and cannot do now, I'll know more. It is very aggravating being in this state of limbo though.
I understand completely. Luckily IL hasn't tried to take them away yet...of course it would be nice if I wasn't living in the only state without any form of concealed carry...
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I understand completely. Luckily IL hasn't tried to take them away yet...of course it would be nice if I wasn't living in the only state without any form of concealed carry...
I thought something was coming down on that? What was recently in the news? Was it Chicago?
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I understand completely. Luckily IL hasn't tried to take them away yet...of course it would be nice if I wasn't living in the only state without any form of concealed carry...
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I thought something was coming down on that? What was recently in the news? Was it Chicago?
the court just below the supreme court ruled the ban on concealed carry as unconstitutional and gave legislators until June 9th to pass a concealed carry law or the ban would just become invalid. The supreme court has denied the request to hear the appeal. So it looks like they will pass something. It will probably be $100 fee for a 5 year license and require 10 hours of training and a NRA safety class. The IL house just rejected a bill with those provisions but people are speculating a lot of people voted no to see if the state senate will pass something first. I think it will happen fairly soon but it won't be free and will require a class.
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the court just below the supreme court ruled the ban on concealed carry as unconstitutional and gave legislators until June 9th to pass a concealed carry law or the ban would just become invalid. The supreme court has denied the request to hear the appeal. So it looks like they will pass something. It will probably be $100 fee for a 5 year license and require 10 hours of training and a NRA safety class. The IL house just rejected a bill with those provisions but people are speculating a lot of people voted no to see if the state senate will pass something first. I think it will happen fairly soon but it won't be free and will require a class.
Here in CT you are required to take the NRA pistol safety class or an equivalent or more extensive class, to get your permit. Also, with the various fees, a new permit application probably costs around $100. It's been a while so I am not 100% sure on the prices. Renewals are $70 every 5 years. I dont have a problem with them requiring a class. May be unpopular, but I would support them requiring a class for every gun purchased, long guns included. I don't think it is asking too much to require everybody that is buying a gun show proof that they know how to use one safely.
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Here in CT you are required to take the NRA pistol safety class or an equivalent or more extensive class, to get your permit. Also, with the various fees, a new permit application probably costs around $100. It's been a while so I am not 100% sure on the prices. Renewals are $70 every 5 years. I dont have a problem with them requiring a class. May be unpopular, but I would support them requiring a class for every gun purchased, long guns included. I don't think it is asking too much to require everybody that is buying a gun show proof that they know how to use one safely.
I dont have a big problem with taking a class but we'll see what they come up with. With Illinois politicians things can always get a lot more stupid.
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Here in CT you are required to take the NRA pistol safety class or an equivalent or more extensive class, to get your permit. Also, with the various fees, a new permit application probably costs around $100. It's been a while so I am not 100% sure on the prices. Renewals are $70 every 5 years. I dont have a problem with them requiring a class. May be unpopular, but I would support them requiring a class for every gun purchased, long guns included. I don't think it is asking too much to require everybody that is buying a gun show proof that they know how to use one safely.
please dont support anything like that.. that is a very easy way to build and start a gun registry.. every time someone takes the class the state would know they bought a gun.. plus that would be like a huge gun tax on every purchase.. i do think everyone should learn how to handle a gun correctly but there are many options available.. and classes dont always teach enough.. practice is better than just taking a class once..
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Here in CT you are required to take the NRA pistol safety class or an equivalent or more extensive class, to get your permit. Also, with the various fees, a new permit application probably costs around $100. It's been a while so I am not 100% sure on the prices. Renewals are $70 every 5 years. I dont have a problem with them requiring a class. May be unpopular, but I would support them requiring a class for every gun purchased, long guns included. I don't think it is asking too much to require everybody that is buying a gun show proof that they know how to use one safely.
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please dont support anything like that.. that is a very easy way to build and start a gun registry.. every time someone takes the class the state would know they bought a gun.. plus that would be like a huge gun tax on every purchase.. i do think everyone should learn how to handle a gun correctly but there are many options available.. and classes dont always teach enough.. practice is better than just taking a class once..
I don't know how I missed that the first time I read it but I agree with desertrnnr... a class for every gun purchase would just be moronic. If you have proven you can pass a test and take a class, requiring a new class and shooting test for every gun would be complete overkill. I would not support that in the slightest. It sounds like one of those brilliant politician ideas where they get to say they cracked down on something but nothing good comes of it and it just wastes peoples' money.
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Saw Django Unchained over the weekend. Reinvigorated my desire to purchase a lever action rifle and a wheelgun.
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