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Good source for UPS Universal Batteries.

cruizerfish 7,975 772 September 9, 2011 at 09:36 AM
My collection of SD UPS's mostly accept sealed lead acid UB1280's. They were replaced with Fleabay specials 2-3 years ago and performed inadequately during my recent Irene outage; the generator is off at night so the family can get some sleep. UPS's power my POTS cordless phones, VOIP phone, cable modems, DVR, wireless, NiMH charges (maintain charge only), etc...

Plans are to upgrade to UB1290's with quality batteries. What are some reliable brand names that I should consider? Any reputable merchants that ship fresh batteries? TIA

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I would be interested in a source for this too as at a minimum I need to replace the batteries in my UPS and or get a new larger unit.
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got a local interstate batteries?
if you do then you're set.
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UB1280 is a 8mAH battery.

they cost about $17 on 3bay.

the connector that goes between the head-end of the batteries is reusable.
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Quote from LiquidRetro View Post :
I would be interested in a source for this too as at a minimum I need to replace the batteries in my UPS and or get a new larger unit.
There are some decent hack videos on youtube. One guy replaced the charging cables with 10 gauge wire in his unit, 2 internal UB1280's were swapped for 2 external marine deep cycle batteries.... That would run my big screen LCD for a while. Smilie

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got a local interstate batteries?
if you do then you're set.
Checked the website, unfortunately the batteries look like the fleabay variety.

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UB1280 is a 8mAH battery.

they cost about $17 on 3bay.

the connector that goes between the head-end of the batteries is reusable.
UB1290 has identical dimensions to UB1280/1270 and is rated 9ah. Some listings show UB1290 as deep cycle for scooters (higher $$) but I'd imagine these are the same as the 'regular' variety.

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I did find some good reviews for Power-Sonic on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Sonic...B002L6R130
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My collection of SD UPS's mostly accept sealed lead acid UB1280's. They were replaced with Fleabay specials 2-3 years ago and performed inadequately during my recent Irene outage;
I'd be curious in what specific brand of fleabay battery you used. Some of them get quite good reviews. I've never had a fleabay UPS battery, but I've used plenty of other kinds of fleabay and "cheap Chinese" batteries, (which aren't necessarily the same thing!), with great results.

On the UPS note, I generally only care about brownouts and flaky power during storms, so big UPSs are rarely needed, but the power went out a lot longer the other week and gave my PC's 1500-rating UPS a workout. I let out a hearty laugh when the power went out but the UPS said 35 minutes of power remaining. I was no longer laughing when the power was still out 30 minutes later.

Anyway, just thought someone might be interested to hear how long a 1500-rating UPS can last on a PC.
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Whatever you do, stay away from the eBay user slabattery. He just sticks his sticker on the worst quality battery I've ever come across. I bought 16 batteries from him and they all failed within 4 months. Keep in mind even the normal cheap batteries last 2-3 years in my air conditioned datacenter. I have 9 year old quality batteries still in service as well.

Not only did he not honor the warranty, but ignored every one of my emails and eBay messages. His scam is knowing that they all fail after the period eBay gives you to post feedback.

The size you're referring to is the size I use in all my APC Smartups units.

Gruber power has been OK and they're really helpful, but lately the cheaper brand that seems to last the longest is Tempest. I've got over 48 of them in service and none have lost much capacity over the 3-5 years I've had them in service. I buy them from batteryspec.com

the best brands are yuasa and b.b. battery.

I've been installing high end APC UPS for over 15 years.
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I'd be curious in what specific brand of fleabay battery you used. Some of them get quite good reviews.
It is the brand with no name (see attached pic from my alarm system). I peeled off the UPC code on the back but came up empty on the lookup [upcdatabase.com]. Tech toys sells it for $13.24/ea.

https://www.techytoys.com/store/S...57432.html

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Whatever you do, stay away from the eBay user slabattery. He just sticks his sticker on the worst quality battery I've ever come across. I bought 16 batteries from him and they all failed within 4 months. Keep in mind even the normal cheap batteries last 2-3 years in my air conditioned datacenter. I have 9 year old quality batteries still in service as well.

Not only did he not honor the warranty, but ignored every one of my emails and eBay messages. His scam is knowing that they all fail after the period eBay gives you to post feedback.
I'm pretty sure I ended up with the same quality battery.

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The size you're referring to is the size I use in all my APC Smartups units.
Which the 1280's or 1290's? Is there such a thing as a deep cycle 1290, or is it just a selling ploy to get more $$$?

UPDATE: Looks like Tempest offers a deep cycle UB1290, model # Tempest TD9-12 [tempestbatteries.com], only $3 more than the regular SLA at batteryspec.com. Any thoughts?

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Gruber power has been OK and they're really helpful, but lately the cheaper brand that seems to last the longest is Tempest. I've got over 48 of them in service and none have lost much capacity over the 3-5 years I've had them in service. I buy them from batteryspec.com

the best brands are yuasa and b.b. battery.

I've been installing high end APC UPS for over 15 years.
I am familiar with yuasa from my sea-doo, unfortunately searches for UB1290 only shows replacement for...

Any opinion on the Power-Sonic battery? From the spec sheet attached, it looks like a quality unit.

BTW, welcome to the community! Rep'd Smilie
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It is the brand with no name (see attached pic from my alarm system). I peeled off the UPC code on the back but came up empty on the lookup [upcdatabase.com]. Tech toys sells it for $13.24/ea.

https://www.techytoys.com/store/S...57432.html



I'm pretty sure I ended up with the same quality battery.
The Universal's actually aren't quite as bad. I've only had a few of them, but they usually lasted at least a year.


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Which the 1280's or 1290's? Is there such a thing as a deep cycle 1290, or is it just a selling ploy to get more $$$?
Sorry, I should have been more clear, by size I was referring to the form factor. As far as I know the generic Universal Battery "brand" is the only one that uses the part number UB1280 (7ah version) and UB1290 (9ah version).

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UPDATE: Looks like Tempest offers a deep cycle UB1290, model # Tempest TD9-12 [tempestbatteries.com], only $3 more than the regular SLA at batteryspec.com. Any thoughts?
I run mostly TR9-12s and they've served me very well, but I was contemplating trying the TD9-12s or the TH1234Ws for my next order. For consumer level UPSs I'd recommend just sticking with the standard 9ah battery. What brand/model are your UPSs?

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I am familiar with yuasa from my sea-doo, unfortunately searches for UB1290 only shows replacement for...
I've had nothing but great luck with Yuasa. In fact, I have two AA Yuasa NiMHs that I'd swear are nearly 20 years old. They still hold a decent charge.

Here's the info on the Yuasa specs/part numbers:
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/industrial.php They're not cheap though. Smilie

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Any opinion on the Power-Sonic battery? From the spec sheet attached, it looks like a quality unit.

I've heard good things about the Power-Sonic, but I've had multiple early failures with them. In fact I still have 2 power-sonic early failures that I need to recycle.

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BTW, welcome to the community! Rep'd Smilie
Thanks .... I was looking for generator info after the power outage here in California and saw your thread. Figured I'd chime in since I've dealt with so many different UPS batteries.

Another brand I've had luck with is CSB, but there not carried in many places.

As for Tempest, I'm really early in testing (less than 5 years) so ymmv, but I really like what I've seen so far. For my application, I can't really justify investing in the Yuasa/B.B. batteries at $30-$40 each.

Also, I'm looking for price, availibility, and ease of ordering in addition to quality. So far Tempest/batteryspec has been the best combination of these I've found.

One last thing to keep in mind. For UPS applications, the most important factor is temperature. Higher than normal room temperature will quickly decrease battery capacity and longevity. Make sure you've got the UPS in a well ventilated space. I put mine on wire shelving units off the ground.
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UB1280 is a 8mAH battery.
Does that mean 1,000 of them are needed? laugh out loud

BTW, check the dimensions very carefully because with some backup units, even an extra 1-2mm in width or length can prevent the battery from fitting, and it turns out that not all battery brands use the exact same dimensions for a given battery size number. I experienced this with a 650VA APC and an ancient all-metal 300VA APC.
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The Universal's actually aren't quite as bad. I've only had a few of them, but they usually lasted at least a year.
Here I am thinking 'Universal' was a type of battery. EEK! laugh out loud

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Sorry, I should have been more clear, by size I was referring to the form factor. As far as I know the generic Universal Battery "brand" is the only one that uses the part number UB1280 (7ah version) and UB1290 (9ah version).
Clearer now. Smilie

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I run mostly TR9-12s and they've served me very well, but I was contemplating trying the TD9-12s or the TH1234Ws for my next order. For consumer level UPSs I'd recommend just sticking with the standard 9ah battery.
Interesting, the TH1234Ws cost a few bucks more than the TDs with a service life of 8-10 years... too bad they are OOS.

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What brand/model are your UPSs?
Varies between APC, Belkin and Cyberpower. The smallest is a 350 (I chopped out some plastic in the battery compartment to replace the stock 3ah with a 8ah), mid size is a Smart 600 and the high end is the Smart 1400 (different battery but the original still rocks). Many of the small units were practically FAR when 'Black Friday' was real.

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I've had nothing but great luck with Yuasa. In fact, I have two AA Yuasa NiMHs that I'd swear are nearly 20 years old. They still hold a decent charge.

Here's the info on the Yuasa specs/part numbers:
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/industrial.php They're not cheap though. Smilie
They only make a 7ah and a 7.5ah in the size I need. The price is not bad at $28.85/ea with freeship:

http://www.amazon.com/Yuasa-NP7-1...B002MA6FYG

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Thanks .... I was looking for generator info after the power outage here in California and saw your thread. Figured I'd chime in since I've dealt with so many different UPS batteries.
You came to the right place! Smilie I got a slick deal on a Katrina surplus with a 20% off coupon Home Depot coupon. The manager gave me a hard time but I prevailed. Interesting how transfer switches more than doubled since I last checked on fleabay. Scratchchin

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Another brand I've had luck with is CSB, but there not carried in many places.

As for Tempest, I'm really early in testing (less than 5 years) so ymmv, but I really like what I've seen so far. For my application, I can't really justify investing in the Yuasa/B.B. batteries at $30-$40 each.

Also, I'm looking for price, availibility, and ease of ordering in addition to quality. So far Tempest/batteryspec has been the best combination of these I've found.
I like what I'm seeing with Tempest so far... more juice vs. Yuasa with the 8ah and 9ah batteries. I'll call on the TH's availability Monday morning, longer service life is well worth it and better for the environment.

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One last thing to keep in mind. For UPS applications, the most important factor is temperature. Higher than normal room temperature will quickly decrease battery capacity and longevity. Make sure you've got the UPS in a well ventilated space. I put mine on wire shelving units off the ground.
Don't have that luxury when DW considers them 'ugly'.... the family does appreciate them though during short outages. Smilie

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Does that mean 1,000 of them are needed? laugh out loud
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Quote from larrymoencurly View Post :
Does that mean 1,000 of them are needed? laugh out loud

BTW, check the dimensions very carefully because with some backup units, even an extra 1-2mm in width or length can prevent the battery from fitting, and it turns out that not all battery brands use the exact same dimensions for a given battery size number. I experienced this with a 650VA APC and an ancient all-metal 300VA APC.
this isnt a problem with APC UPSs, there is almost 1/4" all around the battery.

although you need to pay attention to the terminal blade type as there is a F1 and F2 type. the difference is in the width and actually both will work.
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BTW, check the dimensions very carefully because with some backup units, even an extra 1-2mm in width or length can prevent the battery from fitting, and it turns out that not all battery brands use the exact same dimensions for a given battery size number. I experienced this with a 650VA APC and an ancient all-metal 300VA APC.
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this isnt a problem with APC UPSs, there is almost 1/4" all around the battery.

although you need to pay attention to the terminal blade type as there is a F1 and F2 type. the difference is in the width and actually both will work.
Good point, and the plastic guards around some terminals can also cause problems.

1/4" clearance? Not in my very modern APC BK300C: laugh out loud

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There are some decent hack videos on youtube. One guy replaced the charging cables with 10 gauge wire in his unit, 2 internal UB1280's were swapped for 2 external marine deep cycle batteries.... That would run my big screen LCD for a while. Smilie



Checked the website, unfortunately the batteries look like the fleabay variety.



UB1290 has identical dimensions to UB1280/1270 and is rated 9ah. Some listings show UB1290 as deep cycle for scooters (higher $$) but I'd imagine these are the same as the 'regular' variety.

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I did find some good reviews for Power-Sonic on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Sonic...B002L6R130

Just a tip, the charger and inverter are not designed to be charging or inverting for that amount of time, so if you fry the ups or your gear, you have been warned - highly NOT reccomended to change them with car batterys. good luck
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Just a tip, the charger and inverter are not designed to be charging or inverting for that amount of time, so if you fry the ups or your gear, you have been warned - highly NOT reccomended to change them with car batterys. good luck
Wasn't planning on such a mod, my APC S-UPS 1400 works well in a pinch.... been eyeing the new 1500 model with optional external battery for more demanding 100watt applications.
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