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Will this scandal sink Obama?

dealgate 8,214 1,289 October 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Will these recent (today) revelations about this administration letting the Benghazi staff be slaughtered sink this presidency? I think it is obvious there is something they are covering up. This is appalling. I can't image this is all incompetence by this administration. It has to be willful.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2...urces-say/

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

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I don't know enough about this particular part of the story, and seeing that it's a Fox News Exculsive, I have my doubts.

But what exactly leads you to believe that these people "seemed to be protesters"?

I haven't read one thing that would lead me to believe that these people were thought to be protesters, except for the initial misinformation from the whitehouse that these were protesters...
At the time, i bet the angry mob of people acting like protesters outside gave the impression that it was an angry mob of protesters. The fact that it was later discovered afterwards (even if only a few hours later) that it was ruse, AT THE TIME this was unfolding this looked like ordinary unrest--arguing that it should have been viewed as a coordinated attack justifying the full engagement of our military is armchair quarterbacking at its finest.
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At the time, i bet the angry mob of people acting like protesters outside gave the impression that it was an angry mob of protesters. The fact that it was later discovered afterwards (even if only a few hours later) that it was ruse, AT THE TIME this was unfolding this looked like ordinary unrest--arguing that it should have been viewed as a coordinated attack justifying the full engagement of our military is armchair quarterbacking at its finest.
IMO, even if we thought this was simply "protesters" attacking our embassy, even if we thought it was nothing more than protesters, we should have had full engagement by our militarty to protect our people.

No matter if it appeared to be coordinated or not, they should have been dealt with accordingly.
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I don't know enough about this particular part of the story, and seeing that it's a Fox News Exculsive, I have my doubts.

But what exactly leads you to believe that these people "seemed to be protesters"?

I haven't read one thing that would lead me to believe that these people were thought to be protesters, except for the initial misinformation from the whitehouse that these were protesters...
You haven't read very much then: [nytimes.com]

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Ms. Rice, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, has said that the judgments she offered on the five talk shows on Sept. 16 came from talking points prepared by the C.I.A., which reckoned that the attack that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans had resulted from a spontaneous mob that was angry about an anti-Islamic video that had set off protests elsewhere. That assessment, described to Ms. Rice in briefings the day before her television appearances, was based on intercepted communications, informants' tips and Libyan press reports, officials said.

Later that Sunday, though, American intelligence analysts were already sifting through new field reports that seemed to contradict the initial assessment. It would be several days, however, before the intelligence agencies changed their formal assessment based on those new reports, and informed administration officials about the change. Intelligence officials say such a lag is typical of the ever-changing process of piecing together shards of information into a coherent picture fit for officials' public statements.
and [nationaljournal.com]

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Even now, intelligence officials say, the full story is not known. It is not even clear that the video-inspired protests in Cairo were unrelated to the attack in Benghazi, because some of the extremists who attacked Stevens and his colleagues may have been provoked by watching the demonstrations on TV. Officials say they are still compiling a list of suspects.

"The bulk of available information still supports the early assessment that extremists—many with ties to Ansar al-Sharia, AQIM [Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb], or other groups—didn't preplan the attack days or weeks in advance, but launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo," the intelligence official said.
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IMO, even if we thought this was simply "protesters" attacking our embassy, even if we thought it was nothing more than protesters, we should have had full engagement by our militarty to protect our people.

No matter if it appeared to be coordinated or not, they should have been dealt with accordingly.

And if had turned out to be nothing, we'd have a bunch of dead protesters in a country we're allied with.
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And if had turned out to be nothing, we'd have a bunch of dead protesters in a country we're allied with.
Not just in Libya, nor in Egypt but: [nationaljournal.com]

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It was, from the start, about as hard an intelligence problem as you can find. The date was Sept. 11, and the CIA was stretched thin, monitoring anti-American protests in no fewer than 54 countries that day, according to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
Of course some here think it should have been a simple decision to lob hellfire missiles into 54 different protests around the Arab world.... Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Impeach 0bama - that sounds like fun!
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yes, please!

if only you could have a chance to vote Gingrich for prez........oh wait.
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No, he's perfectly capable of sinking himself. But that's irrelevant.

BTW, he won't sink and he will get term numero deux handed to him on a silver platter come Nov because of this very issue: Obama don't do jack shit. See, people are lazy and don't do jack shit either. Humans love to feel the sense of comfort that everything will be just fine as long is no change happens. Obama is a genius in that he ran on "change" and did nothing. The Hegelian dialectic is nearly impossible to snap once the imaginary box is constructed. Obama built the box and has convinced the zombies that there is no box. America gets the POTUS it deserves - every damn time.
Isn't that exactly how Obama allegedly got elected?

Hmm...
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Isn't that exactly how Obama allegedly got elected?

Hmm...
Is it?
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silly witch hunt
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Do you think ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN will air this story? CNN will minimize it if the others show it at all. But they can't ignore it like they'd want if the big 3 air it. Hard to say. I kind of hope they ignore it until it is so big on the Internet that it can't be ignored anymore - right about 2 days before the election. This should be Obama's Watergate.
No, I think it will be minimally covered by those networks. I've heard a couple execs say it's not really newsworty at this point.....makes ya wonder....
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No, I think it will be minimally covered by those networks. I've heard a couple execs say it's not really newsworty at this point.....makes ya wonder....
For those of us not mainlining Obama hate, this is a tragic incident that the intelligence community is working to fully understand.

There is no news to report beyond acknowledging that the Fox news crowd have worked themselves into a tizzy. "Rabble, rabble rabble. " Frankly, I resent it when real news organizations bother themselves to report on the tizzy, bringing undeserved attention to half-baked insinuation.
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For those of us not mainlining Obama hate, this is a tragic incident that the intelligence community is working to fully understand.

There is no news to report beyond acknowledging that the Fox news crowd have worked themselves into a tizzy. "Rabble, rabble rabble. " Frankly, I resent it when real news organizations bother themselves to report on the tizzy, bringing undeserved attention to half-baked insinuation.
Shouldn't they be asking the same questions and demanding answers? Or should they just let it rest since it's one of their guys/gals? Seems like its a big deal that needs to be addressed to me, but those stations usually only speak up when they have phoney documents against someone they don't like.
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Shouldn't they be asking the same questions and demanding answers? Or should they just let it rest since it's one of their guys/gals? Seems like its a big deal that needs to be addressed to me.
It's the media's job to fact check the president and look beyond the government's statements. Otherwise people would blindly believe everything the govenrment told them and would never know the real truth. I guess some people don't like it when a fair and balanced news organization fact checks their guy. Too bad.
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It's the media's job to fact check the president and look beyond the government's statements. Otherwise people would blindly believe everything the govenrment told them and would never know the real truth. I guess some people don't like it when a fair and balanced news organization fact checks their guy. Too bad.
I agree. Seems to me this administration is the king of BS'ers.
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Is it?
It is.......exactly.........as allegedly.

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