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Why a 4C Warmer World Must be Avoided: A Report for the World Bank

124nic8 23,142 462 November 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM
A Report for the World Bank
by the Potsdam Institute for
Climate Impact Research and
Climate Analytics
[worldbank.org]

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The World Bank commissioned analysis by scientists at the Potsdam Institute looked at the consequences of a 4°C rise in global temperatures above pre-industrial levels by 2100 and found that, even if all current pledges get carried out "the world [is] on a trajectory for a global mean warming of well over 3°C." And current climate models still suggest a 20 percent chance of 4°C warming in this emissions scenario.

The direct consequences of a 4°C rise in global temperatures could bring three feet or more of sea-level rise by 2100, more severe heat waves, and regional extinction of coral reef ecosystems.
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This report provides a snapshot of recent scientific literature and new analyses of likely impacts and risks that would be associated
with a 4° Celsius warming within this century. It is a rigorous attempt to outline a range of risks, focusing on developing
countries and especially the poor. A 4°C world would be one of unprecedented heat waves, severe drought, and major floods
in many regions, with serious impacts on ecosystems and associated services. But with action, a 4°C world can be avoided
and we can likely hold warming below 2°C.

Why is it that some are so concerned about the financial debt being left to our children, but don't give a dam about the huge burden of GW our children will have to deal with?

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Why is it that some are so concerned about the financial debt being left to our children, but don't give a dam about the huge burden of GW our children will have to deal with?
Someone else's children, you mean.

America can just freeload while someone else pays for the solution. See food stamps, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the rest of the gifts given. Extend theory to global warming.

It's obviously what the nation believes in.
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Someone else's children, you mean.

America can just freeload while someone else pays for the solution. See food stamps, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the rest of the gifts given. Extend theory to global warming.

It's obviously what the nation believes in.
Right. Cause the issues of survival (food and medical care) you reference are exactly the same as near term energy policy.... Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Right. Cause the issues of survival (food and medical care) you reference are exactly the same as near term energy policy.... Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

That's typically what someone says when they have no argument.
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That's typically what someone says when they have no argument.
Boom goes the dynamite!!!
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The global warming religious zealots will do more harm and damage to humans and the planet than the earth will if it warms a few degrees. Warming is good, cooling is bad. We just came out of a mini ice age due to mother earth warming.
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That's typically what someone says when they have no argument.
You mean exposed the flaws in your "argument."

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Boom goes the dynamite!!!
That's not dynamite, just you falling on your face.
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The global warming religious zealots will do more harm and damage to humans and the planet than the earth will if it warms a few degrees. Warming is good, cooling is bad. We just came out of a mini ice age due to mother earth warming.
Using ancient history to justify modern practices?

Maybe if it weren't for all the infrastructure we've built near sea level....

Or our dependence on large scale farming for survival....

But I guess New York can build locks to keep the sea water out of the subways and tunnels, right?

Try reading the report. It's obvious you have not.
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The global warming religious zealots will do more harm and damage to humans and the planet than the earth will if it warms a few degrees. Warming is good, cooling is bad. We just came out of a mini ice age due to mother earth warming.
No, this warming is very, very bad and we have little time left, if any, to take it seriously. What you regard as a sunnier day means crop failures, animal extinctions, severe weather episodes, and the annihilation of major cities. Upsetting this balance of nature is by no means a good thing.

Yes, Earth's temperatures have fluctuated over very long periods of time, but that was over 10,000+ year periods, and it didn't contend with a civilization of over 6 billion humans. Sure, the globe will keep on spinning, but many of us will likely die as a result of this before its over.
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Using ancient history to justify modern practices?

Maybe if it weren't for all the infrastructure we've built near sea level....

Or our dependence on large scale farming for survival....

But I guess New York can build locks to keep the sea water out of the subways and tunnels, right?

Try reading the report. It's obvious you have not.
So, then slowing down the growth is not enough, it must be stopped and kept at current levels. We must halt all human activity that results in increase temps, correct? What's the difference if the 4C is reached in 100 years instead of 150? The end is the end no matter when we hit it.

Maybe the best solution is to drastically reduce the population of those animals that are contributing to the temp rise. Playing GW God, what animals contribute to temp rising and what should the population be in order to stop the contributions?

The policies and taxes that the GW zealots want will cuase the global economy to slow which will have a far greater negative impact on human life than a little bit of warming. Again, warming periods have resulting in growth of plant and animal life, cooling has proven to reduce plant and animal life.
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So, then slowing down the growth is not enough, it must be stopped and kept at current levels. We must halt all human activity that results in increase temps, correct? What's the difference if the 4C is reached in 100 years instead of 150? The end is the end no matter when we hit it.
You seem to think that fossil fuel burning is inevitable. There are alternatives.

Better alternatives than limiting population.

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Maybe the best solution is to drastically reduce the population of those animals that are contributing to the temp rise. Playing GW God, what animals contribute to temp rising and what should the population be in order to stop the contributions?
"Animals" aren't the cause. It's fossil fuel energy production that is the cause.


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The policies and taxes that the GW zealots want will cuase the global economy to slow which will have a far greater negative impact on human life than a little bit of warming.
Could you post the extensive analysis from which you derive this conclusion?

And the point by point refutation of the report I cited? ktnx.

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Again, warming periods have resulting in growth of plant and animal life, cooling has proven to reduce plant and animal life.
And also huge rises in sea level and catastrophic mega storms.....

Want to gamble on being one of the animals which survives?
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You mean exposed the flaws in your "argument."



That's not dynamite, just you falling on your face.
Awwww don't cry. It's thanksgiving. Lighten up and have some turkey.
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Awwww don't cry. It's thanksgiving. Lighten up and have some turkey.
I'm not the one who fell on his face.
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Could you post the extensive analysis from which you derive this conclusion?
Ask the spanish what effect going all in on green energy had on their economy?

There have always been, and always will be, mega storms, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, poles switching polarity, ice ages, warming periods, solar flares; Somehow, the world keeps on ticking and the human population has never been larger.
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Ask the spanish what effect going all in on green energy had on their economy?
So, no analysis supporting your position then....

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There have always been, and always will be, mega storms, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, poles switching polarity, ice ages, warming periods, solar flares; Somehow, the world keeps on ticking and the human population has never been larger.
There've always been wars, too, but like your examples, that's not a good reason to fail to avoid additional catastrophes.
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You mean exposed the flaws in your "argument."

No, I don't mean that at all. Your party's position on freeloading is well known. I have no desire to solve your problem.
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