Sure! But you pay the war-related entitlements, like the VA and Veteran's pensions.
Obamacare isn't good enough for them?
Barack Obama - Not my President. Your administration has called a soldier charged with desertion as having served with "honor and distinction". Many lives were lost and veterans were permanently disabled looking for a soldier who left under his own accord.
I love the premise of this thread. And how it embodies how uninformed and manipulated this kind of think is.
Montana, Alabama, Tennessee just an example of some of the biggest propenets of "States Rights" and a large population where this kind of secede think is popular.
But States like NY, CA, IL, actually raise alot of revenue which goes to the Federal Government which in turn goes to help Montana, AL, TN. States which do not generate enough funds. And have higher than average welfare, FoodStamp, low income housing, unemployment useage.
So by all means go ahead and secede good riddance, dont let the door hot you on the way out.
News reports commonly interpret this to mean that "red state" lawmakers are more successful at bringing home federal spending than "blue state" lawmakers. It's often suggested that the way to correct this imbalance is for "blue state" lawmakers to step up efforts to capture additional spending for their states, and for "red state" lawmakers to pare back their voracious appetite for ever-growing pork-barrel spending.
This interpretation may be appealing, but it's probably wrong. The much more likely factor driving the persistent imbalance between federal taxing and spending isn't the relative ability of lawmakers to "bring home the bacon," but is the fact that higher income states bear a larger fraction of the federal tax burden—an imbalance that is sharply amplified by the progressive structure of the federal income tax.
Even if federal spending were equal in all states, wealthy states would still send substantially more federal tax dollars to Washington than they received in spending, simply because they earn a majority of the nation's income. This disparity is greatly magnified by the progressive rate structure of the federal income tax, which taxes higher income states more heavily than low-income states, regardless of the level of spending received.
Still think the problem is not enough federal spending in "donor states"? Consider the table below. In 2004 federal discretionary spending was about $895 billion. How much would the largest "donor states" have had to receive in federal spending to boost their spending-taxing ratio to New Mexico's 2.0, the biggest "beneficiary state" that year?
As the table makes clear, far more than is realistically possible. California alone would need to receive more than half of the nation's discretionary spending. The lesson? The distribution of federal taxing and spending is mostly driven by tax burdens, not the ability of lawmakers to divert spending to their home states.
How many times does this have to be discredited as the dishonest lie it is before liberals stop espousing it?
Let's try again.
1) Military bases are concentrated in "red states." Since the military is such a huge portion of the federal budget, a lot of military spending takes place in red states. While military bases do help the local economies, their benefits inure to the country as a whole. This is the same reason that D.C. has such high federal spending per capita. While it is true that most D.C. residents are poor and receive TANF, Medicaid, and so on, all infrastructure spending and federal salaries in D.C. count. Is it fair to count renovations to the White House against D.C., and to hold the Pentagon's existence in Arlington against Virginia? Is it fair to hold the CDC against Georgia?
2) It is common for people to work their whole lives in a "blue state" and then retire to a "red state." (e.g. New York to Florida, California to Nevada/Arizona). So all of the payments one makes to Social Security and Medicare during his lifetime gets credited as "taxes paid by blue states" while his collections will count as "money paid to red states." Is this really a fair way of representing what is going on here?
3) Those states you mentioned also have a high percentage of blacks, who of course vote for the Democrat with between 92-96% of their vote. Blacks are disproportionately on federal welfare programs (don't argue with this, it's fact), and thus states with more blacks will receive more federal money for those programs. So in this instance, it's "blue people" receiving money in "red states."
4) Let's take interstate highways. Nebraska has four times as many miles of I-80 as New Jersey, with 1/4th the population. Therefore, I-80 spending is 16 times per capita in Nebraska as it is in New Jersey. However, the interstate highway system wouldn't work unless roads connecting dense "blue" cities go through rural "red" areas. So if you want the ability to drive from New York City to San Francisco, you're going to need highways running through fairly empty areas. That's just a fact of life.
5) Much of the spending in red states (like Medicaid, which is by far the largest) was FORCED upon red states by Congressmen from blue states. Forcing the creation of social programs against the will of more conservative people and then holding it against them is pretty low.
Point is, your numbers are meaningless, and do not come close to "proving" what you're implying, which is that conservatives are poor and mooch off of wealthier liberals.
Notice that the states that create the most revenue have the highest cost of living also.. which correlates with having the largest salaries also.
People in blue major suburban states have less large cities. They get their degrees etc.. in whatever state but end up having to move to blue states because of the business locations.
And no, the red states should not secede. We should just lop off Vermont south to DC and a sliver of west coast and excise most of the blue.
I love this map.. b/c when you start zooming in.. (aside from the N.E. area.. the Blue areas by majority are the poorest areas in the country.
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See my post at the beginning of the thread which debunks your bullshit.
Your cherry picking of facts does little to debunk anything. (1)The military bases that you state that are concentrated in red states are supported by same red states and their mentality of involving us in unnecessary wars/conflicts as well as to receive the "taker" benefits bases provide. (2)The assertion that retirees are responsible for red state deficits is laughable. Are you talking about all of the retirees that move to the Dakotas and Alaska? (3)Your reason that it's because of blacks, shows once again why your party will continue to fail due to ignorance around racial issues. (4)Re interstate highways for people that want to drive from New York City to San Francisco, I've got news for you; people can now take those fancy things that fly (air planes). The interstates are another example of blue states paying for red states' infrastructure. (5)And lastly, the uninformed assertion that "forcing the creation of social programs against the will of more conservative people and then holding it against them is pretty low". Really? Then have those conservative states secede and listen to their populaces of "takers" cry when life as they know it on the federal dole is taken away.
Seriously, what part of your argument debunked anything factual? And, using profanity only contributes to the uneducated stereotypes that can be associated with conservative (red) politics.
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