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2,656 476 January 6, 2013 at 05:42 PM
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...

After 911 called, mom shoots intruder 5 times defending her family.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...attic.html
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most do.
so its most now? help me out here, earlier it was all. or maybe its most run when they see a gun, but all run when one bullet is fired? is that how it works?
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What the flying eff are you talking about?

You brought up the video surveillance system to determine intent. At least you've acknowledged several times that she had the right to shoot him. I'll give you credit for that.

None of the anti-gun liberals are going to come in here and defend their stances on guns.
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your strawman arguements are great entertainment, totally ingnoring that home invaders are not always scared off when facing a gun. is this really what you think?
I never spoke in absolutes. My positions is that they are ALMOST ALWAYS scared off. And when they're not, it's usually because they planned on committing some violent crime and thus are more ready to shoot.

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so you admit that some may have a death wish?
Yes. So? If that's the case, having more than 6 bullets won't make a difference.

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of course Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) a knife of baseball bat will go real far if teh perp has a gun.... cause robbers NEVER carry a gun. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
Are you farking kidding me? This is the whole point. Do they NEVER carry guns? No. But do they OFTEN? NO. Robbers are expecting vacant houses.

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you gotta have a way to idnetify those who dont have a gun... duh.
If they have a gun and they're ready to use it, it'll be out and pointed at you.

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right, cause all that matters is what the police tell us he was looking... it doesn't matter what the woman defending her children was afraid of... of course.
Again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong. I'm saying the people who are saying "it's too bad she only had 6 bullets" are idiots.

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pathetic
Yes, you are being quite.

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so its most now? help me out here, earlier it was all. or maybe its most run when they see a gun, but all run when one bullet is fired? is that how it works?
When did I speak about all robbers ever?
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What did she shoot him with a .22??

I am guessing a 9 tho.. because I am pretty sure no one would live more than 2 bullets from a .45

I wouldn't need more than 1 shot with a 9mm BOOM HEADSHOT BOOM HEAD SHOT
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You brought up the video surveillance system to determine intent. At least you've acknowledged several times that she had the right to shoot him. I'll give you credit for that.

None of the anti-gun liberals are going to come in here and defend their stances on guns.
I mentioned that if someone had the intent and training to kill you, the only chance you'd have is to see them coming with a video surveillance system, especially if you're not trained. If you're holed up in your attic, knowing somebody is in your house AND (unknown to you) that person has the intent to kill you, you're effed, regardless of what gun you have in your hands.

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What did she shoot him with a .22??

I am guessing a 9 tho.. because I am pretty sure no one would live more than 2 bullets from a .45

I wouldn't need more than 1 shot with a 9mm BOOM HEADSHOT BOOM HEAD SHOT
They mentioned a .38 in the article.
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You mean, like she did? I don't think you get 5 shots to the face and neck because you're running away.
really good points!
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What did she shoot him with a .22??

I am guessing a 9 tho.. because I am pretty sure no one would live more than 2 bullets from a .45

I wouldn't need more than 1 shot with a 9mm BOOM HEADSHOT BOOM HEAD SHOT
He was shot five times in the neck and face. While I'd be inclined to say she should have had a weapon with better terminal ballistics, she was obviously well-trained on it and comfortable shooting it which is what matters.
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I never spoke in absolutes. My positions is that they are ALMOST ALWAYS scared off. And when they're not, it's usually because they planned on committing some violent crime and thus are more ready to shoot.
laugh out loud never spoke in absolutes?

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Are you kidding me? How do you read the exact opposite of what I wrote? One bullet is enough.
laugh out loud maybe you need to learn to read what you write!

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Yes. So? If that's the case, having more than 6 bullets won't make a difference.
what about 12?

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re you farking kidding me? This is the whole point. Do they NEVER carry guns? No. But do they OFTEN? NO. Robbers are expecting vacant houses.
1/2 of robberies involve a weapon, 28% a gun. [usdoj.gov]

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If they have a gun and they're ready to use it, it'll be out and pointed at you.
umm. ok. and a gun will be pointed back at them too.

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Again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong. I'm saying the people who are saying "it's too bad she only had 6 bullets" are idiots.
if you are atributing this to me then perhaps you should learn to read.

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When did I speak about all robbers ever?
here maybe?

"Are you kidding me? How do you read the exact opposite of what I wrote? One bullet is enough"
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WTF? If he didn't run after the first shot, why wouldn't she keep shooting? He'd clearly be on a suicide mission and be a huge (even bigger) idiot.

But again, what's with this assumption that robbers want to commit murder? They don't. The two crimes are completely different.
When someone breaks into your house and confronts you, and you have mere seconds to react, with the adrenaline pumping and fear of death or serious injury in your mind, how can you afford to assume that the violator does or does not mean to harm or kill you as opposed to just robbing you?

Quite often there is only one chance for defense and when that chance is gone then you lose and you could very easily die along with your loved ones.

Would you be willing to gamble on an assumption that you could very easily be wrong in making, with the possibility of no second chance?

Each situation is different, and IMHO it is not wise for any of us to make judgements in the safety of our homes as to how the incident in the OP should have been handled.

She won, and that's what matters.
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The Mozambique failure-to-stop drill would disagree with you.
Confused relevance? Talking about a military technique when we're discussing a hypothetical coked-up robber with body armor invading suburbia?

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Or they're hopped up on drugs and just don't give a shit. People eat other people while on some of the crazier drugs. Most take multiple rounds to stop their attacks. It's impossible to know what the person who has just broken into your house is thinking about doing, or has going on. To just assume that they will leave is silly.
I never said you should fire one bullet and put the gun away. I said that in the vast majority of cases, one bullet is enough. Surely you're not deluded enough to think that most robberies are carried out by people hopped up on bath salts? again: MOST ROBBERS DON'T WANT CONFRONTATION.
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Perhaps one of the best self-defense weapons for a 54-year-old mother, against a really big dude. Yeah.

What's the saying? God made men and women, Sam Colt made them equal?
If someone burst into your house gun drawn, they came in with the intent to harm/kill you. If they did, you have a VERY LOW CHANCE of successfully defending yourself, even if you have a weapon.

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This is false, as well. See the link I just posted where guys went into a chick's house and shot her after she tried to hide, and stole her iPad. There was also that massacre down in Florida, along with many other instances of people not just being after goods. Do all robbers want to kill you, no. Do you know this going into the situation? Not in the least.
Clearly you're missing the (not very) subtle nuance in what I'm saying. If someone's willing to shoot you (ESPECIALLY someone willing to shoot you when you're hiding), they went in with the intention of causing harm if given the opportunity. In cases like these, engaging them in a firefight is one that almost always ends with YOU dying. Abandoning your house is the only thing that will really save your ass. Of course, do you know their intention until they shoot you? No. And that sucks, but it's something you've got to accept. If someone's not running after they know you have a gun, you're in big, big, big trouble.

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Who knows what he was looking for. Who knows if he'd have beaten the woman to death with his crowbar out of sheer panic, because she could identify him later? People do stupid shit in high-stress situations. I'm not going to take that chance, and I don't blame her for it either.
Again, for the fifth (fifteenth?) time -- I'M NOT SAYING SHE DID ANYTHING WRONG. I'm saying that the people who are saying "this woman only had six shots! she's lucky to be alive!" are spouting nonsense. The difference between one bullet and fifty is negligible. One bullet will scare more people away. If it DOESN'T -- if the person keeps coming at you -- you have a very low chance of survival no matter what guns & ammo you have.

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You mean, like she did? I don't think you get 5 shots to the face and neck because you're running away.
I'll bet large sums of money she fired off six quick shots in a panic as soon as he walked in the door. Good for her for having a great aim.
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When someone breaks into your house and confronts you, and you have mere seconds to react, with the adrenaline pumping and fear of death or serious injury in your mind, how can you afford to assume that the violator does or does not mean to harm or kill you as opposed to just robbing you?

Quite often there is only one chance for defense and when that chance is gone then you lose and you could very easily die along with your loved ones.

Would you be willing to gamble on an assumption that you could very easily be wrong in making, with the possibility of no second chance?

Each situation is different, and IMHO it is not wise for any of us to make judgements in the safety of our homes as to how the incident in the OP should have been handled.

She won, and that's what matters.
AGAIN -- I am not saying what she did was wrong.

I AM SAYING THAT, IF A ROBBER ISN'T TURNED AWAY BY ONE BULLET, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TURNED AWAY BY SIX OR FIFTY. They are comfortable with being shot at, which in turn means they were probably out to harm you. Which in turn means that you're likely going to be harmed.
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He was shot five times in the neck and face. While I'd be inclined to say she should have had a weapon with better terminal ballistics, she was obviously well-trained on it and comfortable shooting it which is what matters.
That is damn good shooting on her part. My weapon of choice for home defense is a 12ga. But better to score 5 of 6 hits with a .38 than six misses with the 12ga if she isn't comfortable with it.
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laugh out loud never spoke in absolutes?



laugh out loud maybe you need to learn to read what you write!


what about 12?

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1/2 of robberies involve a weapon, 28% a gun. [usdoj.gov]


umm. ok. and a gun will be pointed back at them too.


here maybe?

"Are you kidding me? How do you read the exact opposite of what I wrote? One bullet is enough"
You mean in this context? "Most people who are being shot at don't stick around for fun. One bullet's enough to send them running." Where I'm clearly talking about how most people scram when a single shot's been fired? And thus their results are the same with one bullet or six or sixty?

Again, my point is that if a robber sticks around KNOWING YOU HAVE A WEAPON (and especially after you've shot that weapon), they're looking to cause violence. And you're in trouble because you're almost always going to end up on the losing end of that battle. If they don't flee after one bullet, start praying, even while you're emptying the rest of your clip. Odds are that they're much better at violence than you are, seeing as they do it as a career. The amount of bullets she had likely wouldn't have made any difference. The fact that the robber didn't intend to commit murder is most likely what helped her and her family stay alive.

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if you are atributing this to me then perhaps you should learn to read.
You're the one who responded to me when I was responding to someone about how the number of bullets was irrelevant.
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I AM SAYING THAT, IF A ROBBER ISN'T TURNED AWAY BY ONE BULLET, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TURNED AWAY BY SIX OR FIFTY. They are comfortable with being shot at, which in turn means they were probably out to harm you. Which in turn means that you're likely going to be harmed.
Your logic is overlooking an important option - they will be so badly injured they cannot continue to attack. i.e. five 12ga rounds of 00 buck to the face and neck and the perp would no longer have a face or neck.
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AGAIN -- I am not saying what she did was wrong.

I AM SAYING THAT, IF A ROBBER ISN'T TURNED AWAY BY ONE BULLET, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TURNED AWAY BY SIX OR FIFTY. They are comfortable with being shot at, which in turn means they were probably out to harm you. Which in turn means that you're likely going to be harmed.
Unfortunately you are assuming that all robbers are the same. Unfortunately, they are not. An assumption such as that could get you killed. Police rookies are taught from day 1 to never assume anything and that certainly applies in civilian self defense.

Additionally, if a robber is not turned away by one bullet, then they deserve to be turned under by more.

I seriously doubt if the perpetrator will be attempting to break into that same house again, and if he has any sense whatsoever, he will think twice before attempting to break into anyone else's house again.

If other would-be burglars elsewhere thought there would possibly be someone inside the house they are planning to burglarize with six shots aimed at their head, they would not make the attempt.

An armed homeowner, or the possibility of an armed homeowner determined to defend themselves is a very huge deterrent to crime.
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