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Path to Citizenship is happening.

HEATBaller 3,578 298 January 18, 2013 at 08:16 AM
First they take our guns now illegals will become legal. Sounds crazy right well its happening. Just not from who you expected not Obama, but rising GOP star Marco Rubio.

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/0...mmigrants/


The reality is the Republicans know, that time, demographics, and math, are working against them, those are 3 powerful forces to try and fight. And they can not afford to give away the Hispanic vote. So they want to be seen as the leading voice for immigration reform. Well its a nice idea but unless every one forgets we have this thing called video now. And have for a few years Republican's really are not going to swing over Latino voters whom they seriously need. All this will do is cost them the 2014 elections and possibly another super majority for Obama.

But its a nice plan by Rubio and the GOP, Any GOP Congressman or woman these days seems to be a rising star. But Guys you need to give this great plan a catchy military sounding name. O.I.B.U.I.O.F. Operation It Blew Up In Our Face.

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Ask anyone in the Hispanic community with any interest in politics on their view of the GOP.

It's the little things like 'Speak English or get out of the country' jabs from the Republicans which make Hispanics feel like a punching bag and gives a very negative impression of the GOP that isn't easy to fix at all.
People with those kind of quotes will quiet down. More Hispanics will be installed in the GOP, especially in border states. Just like the racists democrats shut up and dealt with the new reality, so will the GOP deal with the new reality.
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Ask anyone in the Hispanic community with any interest in politics on their view of the GOP.
They don't even have to have an interest.....
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Guns and brown people = conservative melt-down.

Pure comedy.

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Like the dregs of Latin America are going to pay for anything. And unlike Ireland there is a shared border which means a threat to the USA on an existential level. There are ways to encourage reproduction of our existing population, but the labor market is over-saturated. The goal of a country isn't to support old people or pay into an entitlement pyramid scheme--those people can be cut loose.
People used to call Irish and Italian immigrants much worse things than "dregs" too. Most of the immigrants from Latin America that I've encountered are quite eager to work hard, in fact. Some of them even have multiple jobs. Some send money back home to help their families just like many of our ancestors did. Sure, there are undocumented immigrants who come here and become criminals. Let's put them in jail like we would anyone else (or deport them). But deporting 11 million immigrants, most of whom are not criminals, is not ever going to be practical or worthwhile.
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Well, those we want to deport live in a country that borders us. Since these other people you speak of do not share a place of origin we border with they are clearly different sorts of people. Your second law does not apply. Have a good day.

(We should deport Canadian freeloaders).
I do not think having a shared border is that important. Say thousands of Guatemalans start entering US by going through Mexico. You say they are ok to stay?

Please tell us WHY having a common border is important.
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But deporting 11 million immigrants, most of whom are not criminals, is not ever going to be practical or worthwhile.
"illegal" immigrants ARE criminals.
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"illegal" immigrants ARE criminals.
Ok. What do you propose should be done with the 11 million immigrants who unlawfully crossed the border and who now lead mostly lawful and productive lives?
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People used to call Irish and Italian immigrants much worse things than "dregs" too. Most of the immigrants from Latin America that I've encountered are quite eager to work hard, in fact. Some of them even have multiple jobs. Some send money back home to help their families just like many of our ancestors did. Sure, there are undocumented immigrants who come here and become criminals. Let's put them in jail like we would anyone else (or deport them). But deporting 11 million immigrants, most of whom are not criminals, is not ever going to be practical or worthwhile.
Here's the thing. I agree that many of the illegal immigrants that come here are hard working. They do jobs that may actually go undone if they weren't here. Wasn't there something in Georgia where they got rid of the illegal immigrants and farm owners couldn't find people to do the work, all the while 10% of the population was on unemployment? Sitting on your ass collecting unemployment for 2 years or earning low wages in the field.... hhmm, I think most people would sit on their ass. Understandably so!

That said, there is no legitimate reason to grant them amnesty and citizenship other than to suck up to the brown vote. If the gov't actually gave a damn about it's legal citizens they would have long ago looked at other means by which to provide cheap labor while reducing the risk of illegal immigration. A guest worker program IMO would be a huge first step. A person would be allowed in to work, after a background check was performed, for X number of years/months. Employers would be given easy access to verify the information and be accountable should they not. The individual would receive no social services, apart from emergency healthcare (which could be offset by a requirement to purchase some form of insurance) and pay a reduced tax rate. If they're not going to be collecting SS after all then don't pay in to it however they are benefiting from the roads, defense, etc. part of the tax bill so they do pay that.

Amnesty IMO is a fiscal nightmare as you will effectively be adding millions of new citizens at the lower end of the tax paying scale. Those people simply put don't put in enough fiscally to the economy to cover what they get out. When we've already got that problem with those who are legally here why politicians want to exacerbate it is beyond me. Well, not really, they obviously just want to suck up to the brown vote.

Immigration reform would have been relatively easy to do the last the time they offered amnesty. The problem is no one did it for fear of pissing off the brown vote and being labeled a racist. If only politicians looked out for their constituents and not their own asses so much perhaps stuff like this, that would actually better the lives of all parties involved, would actually have been done.

This whole "it's too hard to deport the illegals bit" has been done before already and we're just back where we were again. Simply granting amnesty again will only lead to this problem in another decade or two. Implementing a guest worker program is a relatively simple and effective way to get many of those here illegally to leave as well. No jobs, no pay = a one way trip home for many. Why don't we try something like that instead of doing something that has already proven to not work while also adding millions of people on to the financial drain that is the lower class.
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Ok. What do you propose should be done with the 11 million immigrants who unlawfully crossed the border and who now lead mostly lawful and productive lives?
What does the law say.

Or can I just disobey any law I chose to, too.
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Let's just give them citizenship, provided that they all move to California and promise to stay there. I'd be for that.
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Let's just give them citizenship, provided that they all move to California and promise to stay there. I'd be for that.
As I recall, we did that under clinton. I distinctly remember thinking "if we give them amnesty and don't secure the boarder, we'll be right back in this same situation".

Called it.
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Let's just give them citizenship, provided that they all move to California and promise to stay there. I'd be for that.
F that, we already have more than enough. As a resident of another state you should actually be thanking us for having to cover the cost of them so you can continue to have cheap fruits and veggies...
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F that, we already have more than enough. As a resident of another state you should actually be thanking us for having to cover the cost of them so you can continue to have cheap fruits and veggies...
What cost would that be? Undocumented workers pay their fair share of taxes! If anything importing 14 million of them would be a boon to the California economy. I'm trying to do you a favor. Wink
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What cost would that be? Undocumented workers pay their fair share of taxes! If anything importing 14 million of them would be a boon to the California economy. I'm trying to do you a favor. Wink
I'm assuming that post was coated in sarcasm...
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As I recall, we did that under clinton. I distinctly remember thinking "if we give them amnesty and don't secure the boarder, we'll be right back in this same situation".

Called it.
At the time, did you ask for heavy fines against employers? Did we impose heavy fines on employers? If not, I wonder why not.
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