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Krazen1211 417 January 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM
http://www.bradenton.com/2013/01/...after.html

Manatee County sheriff's deputies continue to investigate an incident in which a man fatally shot an alleged robbery suspect Sunday night at his Bradenton home.

Two men were sitting in the carport of a residence in the 4200 block of 24th Street West about 10:20 p.m. when three suspects, dressed in black and wearing masks, approached on foot. James Brady, 26, allegedly pointed a handgun at one of the victims, ordering him to the ground, according to the sheriff's office.

That's when the victim, who has a conceal-carry license, pulled out a handgun, according to Dave Bristow, sheriff's office spokesman. Gunfire exchanged between the two men



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Quote from FAMIR View Post :
This is similar to the bible claim that God created the whole world 6000 years ago. It's dated, needs to be reviewed. Or maybe you have the right to get a gun built in the year this constitution amendment was written.
Pretty poor analogy as I don't believe you can post a link to letters and other documents written by god at the time of creation.

Your flintlock interpretation has been rehashed so much it could only be considered a troll attempt.
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Quote from paperboy05 View Post :
Were is that limitation written in the Amendment?

Do you think any other Amendments specified for the people should be limited to technology of when they were ratified?


Rofl2
The logic been, the founding fathers who wrote the Amendment didn't know that weapons could get so advanced and been used to kill so many innocent people, even little kids in such a short period of time, if they know, they would have thought twice before write such a Amendment. They only know firearms that can shoot several bullets before reload and that the small firearm bear people will face tanks and fighter jets and cannons if there really is a tyrant. For the case of India independence movement, they didn't use firearms to rise against the British troops, they used peaceful demonstrations. When they have enough supporters, they eventually won.
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Quote from TRNT View Post :
Hmm.....

What do you think about abortion rights......or the rights of gays to marry?
Zzzzzzzzzzz...
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#1069
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The logic been, the founding fathers who wrote the Amendment didn't know that weapons could get so advanced and been used to kill so many innocent people, even little kids in such a short period of time, if they know, they would have thought twice before write such a Amendment.
How do you know that? Because that's what you want?

They certainly knew that technology would advance and emotional appeals about children wouldn't sway. Should the government ban the internet because of child porn?

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They only know firearms that can shoot several bullets before reload and that the small firearm bear people will face tanks and fighter jets and cannons if there really is a tyrant.
Wait, how could they know about tanks and fighter jets Whee That is their reasoning behind allowing common military arms.

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For the case of India independence movement, they didn't use firearms to rise against the British troops, they used peaceful demonstrations. When they have enough supporters, they eventually won.
Compare the American revolution to the Indian revolution, which one took the least amount of time (which is what you want against a tyrannical force).
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... and so does Rodgers!
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Quote from FAMIR View Post :
The logic been, the founding fathers who wrote the Amendment didn't know that weapons could get so advanced and been used to kill so many innocent people, even little kids in such a short period of time, if they know, they would have thought twice before write such a Amendment. They only know firearms that can shoot several bullets before reload and that the small firearm bear people will face tanks and fighter jets and cannons if there really is a tyrant. For the case of India independence movement, they didn't use firearms to rise against the British troops, they used peaceful demonstrations. When they have enough supporters, they eventually won.
Uninformed. No wonder you think Joe Biden is an authority on guns.

You think the only arms they meant were flint lock weapons??! Read your history. It's about the people's rights to be able to stand against an oppressive regime. Weapon technology is irrelevant.
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
Zzzzzzzzzzz...
You should stop posting when you are under the influence of ...... sleeplessness. LMAO
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Quote from paperboy05 View Post :
How do you know that? Because that's what you want?

They certainly knew that technology would advance and emotional appeals about children wouldn't sway. Should the government ban the internet because of child porn?

That's why government bans child porn.
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Quote from FAMIR View Post :
That's why government bans child porn.
And also why the government bans killing Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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And also why the government bans killing Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
Then why do you still hand guns to everyone? that thing is just for killing. And internet has other uses then child porn.
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Comeon where's the sales?
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Quote from Elmer View Post :
Are you even curious why law enforcement doesn't follow your advice? That they only use less lethal alternatives such as bean bags or rubber projectiles with subjects strongly believed to be unarmed? And even then, when employing them, their SOP is for firearm equipped officers to cover the subject while the officer deploys it? And they don't employ them when alone?

But I'm not criticizing your decision.. I support you 100%, just as I support those who choose to not use a firearm at all for self defense.

Please do me the courtesy of supporting my decision to use lethal force to defend against a home invader, especially since those who are the most knowledgeable and experienced with the subject, agree with my choice.
Police use 00 buck because they may have to shoot through car doors. I didn't say only use non-lethal, but it is an option for some. Yes, you can use whatever legal ammo you like for home defense, just be sure of your target and accept the liability if an unintended person gets injured or killed.

Quote from ZeeDuck View Post :
Where does that mention the use of a slide fire device?
I saw it on a news cast after Newtown, then again on the CNN site and a YouTube clip of the report. Of course, just because CNN reports it does not mean it is true Wink

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But not the same. To claim that the times are comparable is incorrect. The other video showed that adding multiple reload steps did not significantly slow the shooter assuming the shooter had the magazines in an easy to reach pocket.
Yeah, in a controlled environment with nobody charging you.

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I must have missed the second example. The student you just mentioned sounded like he didn't fire the full magazine if he only fired one shot. In that case it wouldn't be a valid data point.
All 50 rounds of 22LR were fired into the crowd from his rifle. The kid had trouble getting another magazine in, pulled a Glock but only got one shot off with it.

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I half agree with this point. If limits are coming then yes I think a 30 round limit is reasonable. But, I don't see how we can rationally say magazine limits will help. It strikes me as a wedge issue much like the plan to go after AW was hatched as a wedge issue by anti-gun activists a while back.

This seems less likely since Congress seems to be saying it's a dead bill. The focus seems to be shifting to UBGC and other such rules.
I would be interested to know why a folding stock or grenade launcher mount is an issue. For that mater what is a grenade launcher mount?
Then the NRA should open negotiations with 30 or 33 saying "that is what is common". Wedge issue, yes. Now you are starting to finally see Obama's hidden liberal agenda. Big Grin It is not about guns, it is about seats. If a mild AWB gets passed, Obama can claim a victory. If all bills get voted down, then the left will shithammer the Republican Congressmen with guilt ads in 2014.

A folding stock adds to the conceal-ability of the weapon. Why do you need a grenade launcher or bayonet mount?

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Registration is a big negative for many gun owners. You will find that a large number of current owners will not register. How will you treat them?
Impossible to register all the old ones. The 4473 registers all new transfers anyway. Instead of registering the guns how about qualifying the owners with a national FOID card that requires passing a safety course so any idiot like me can't just walk out with a long gun in 10 minutes.

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What was the major bill that passed 4 years prior to that? How many students were killed by his spray and prey?
The 1994 AWB. And you made my point. If the shooter had access to an AR-15 with .223 bullets instead of the 22LR he used, then the body count would have been much higher.

Quote from Xygonn View Post :
Columbine was committed with AWB compliant guns including a double barrel shotgun.
Two shooters covering each other during reloads. Not the same thing.

Quote from Mr.Ritz View Post :
We should close all these threads they are pointless. No ones mind is going to change on either side.
I have learned a lot from these treads and have changed my mind on several points.

Quote from mmathis View Post :
The 15 round pistol magazines would be banned, as would the 20 round AR magazines. Standard-capacity magazines would by and large be banned under many of the proposed laws. Exceptions would mostly be for smaller handguns designed for concealed carry, as standard-capacity for them is typically 10 or less (due to the smaller size of the pistol).
It depends on what number we end up with. I like 20 because it covers most 9mm handguns and the capacity of the original M-16.

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In many, if not all states, yes. Discharging a firearm doesn't require a projectile to leave the barrel. That's why they make blank guns that are incapable of chambering a live round, though those are also considered a "firearm" in some states.

Did you know that you can be arrested and prosecuted for assault with a deadly weapon, if the person you threatened reasonably believed that you had a firearm, even if what you had was a squirt gun?

Just another of the many thousands of laws regarding firearms that already exist.
I can see why they have a "no warning shot" law, shoot at what your want to destroy or don't shoot at all because you might hit something you don't want to.

Quote from Favrerox View Post :
Here's one of (10) the things you learn in hunter's safety courses throughout the US.

Joe Biden has absolutely NO idea about guns. The fact that such an uninformed person can be elevated to the position of Vice President is ridiculous. These are the people [cnn.com] about to make new gun laws based on his "task force". Confused

How can anyone take his recommendations seriously? The US government is a circus.
Biden said. “I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.” I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

So he was talking about when the end days come. But I agree not the best advice to be giving the public.
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Quote from RHCCapri View Post :
Biden said. “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”
Holy shit Joe Biden is a moron.

Just like Oscar Pistorius shooting his girlfriend through the closed bathroom door. He must have been taking Joe Biden's advice.
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Quote from RHCCapri View Post :
Then the NRA should open negotiations with 30 or 33 saying "that is what is common". Wedge issue, yes. Now you are starting to finally see Obama's hidden liberal agenda. Big Grin It is not about guns, it is about seats. If a mild AWB gets passed, Obama can claim a victory. If all bills get voted down, then the left will shithammer the Republican Congressmen with guilt ads in 2014.
I agree that politics are being played here. The politicians aren't worried about doing the right thing. If they happen to do the right thing so be it. No, they are interested in doing the thing that looks like a win. It is a tough call for the people who either support the 2nd A or realize that AWB and magazine limits are useless laws. Should they do the right thing and vote no or the political thing and pass a feel good law.

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A folding stock adds to the conceal-ability of the weapon. Why do you need a grenade launcher or bayonet mount?
Not really. Any of these rifles are really too big to realistically conceal. Folding stocks exist so troops in airplanes and APCs had more manageable firearms. The reason why any of the features you listed were mentioned was because it was a way to identify the "army" guns from the good guns. As to why you need a grenade launching attachment or a bayonet lug, well you don't and during the last ban many anti-gun people were incensed that manufactures simply removed those features. However, I would turn this around and say, why does it mater? BTW, to be clear, this is not what the law refers to:


This is what the law was referring to:


Of course the ammo for either requires a stamp and is basically not available.


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Impossible to register all the old ones. The 4473 registers all new transfers anyway. Instead of registering the guns how about qualifying the owners with a national FOID card that requires passing a safety course so any idiot like me can't just walk out with a long gun in 10 minutes.
Ask the gun owners of Illinois what they thing of the FOID. A FOID is just as bad, if not worse than registration.
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Comeon where's the sales?
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
Holy shit Joe Biden is a moron.

Just like Oscar Pistorius shooting his girlfriend through the closed bathroom door. He must have been taking Joe Biden's advice.
That is why the Vice President's job is worth less than a warm bucket of piss.

Modern day Vice Presidents are there for comic relief. See Ford, Quail and Biden.

Quote from ZeeDuck View Post :
I agree that politics are being played here. The politicians aren't worried about doing the right thing. If they happen to do the right thing so be it. No, they are interested in doing the thing that looks like a win. It is a tough call for the people who either support the 2nd A or realize that AWB and magazine limits are useless laws. Should they do the right thing and vote no or the political thing and pass a feel good law.

Not really. Any of these rifles are really too big to realistically conceal. Folding stocks exist so troops in airplanes and APCs had more manageable firearms. The reason why any of the features you listed were mentioned was because it was a way to identify the "army" guns from the good guns. As to why you need a grenade launching attachment or a bayonet lug, well you don't and during the last ban many anti-gun people were incensed that manufactures simply removed those features. However, I would turn this around and say, why does it mater? BTW, to be clear, this is not what the law refers to:


This is what the law was referring to:


Of course the ammo for either requires a stamp and is basically not available.


Ask the gun owners of Illinois what they thing of the FOID. A FOID is just as bad, if not worse than registration.
Of course the 1994 AWB backfired badly on the Democrats causing them to lose more seats in 1996 and in 2000 it cost Al Gore his home state of Tennessee!

I think that is why they are listed as "evil" features, because their use is primarily for the military.

I don't know anyone who has a FOID card.
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Of course the 1994 AWB backfired badly on the Democrats causing them to lose more seats in 1996 and in 2000 it cost Al Gore his home state of Tennessee!

I think that is why they are listed as "evil" features, because their use is primarily for the military.

I don't know anyone who has a FOID card.
In 1994 the writers of that law had a problem. They knew they wanted to make guns like the AR-15 and Ak-47 illegal but they didn't want to go after more traditional guns (or at least not at that time). The problem was how do you write a law that diferentiates the good from the bad? Well they looked at traditional hunting guns and traditional ARs and AKs and tried to find features that would be common on the military guns but not on the traditional guns. Yes, traditionally civilian guns didn't have bayonet fittings since civilians don't find bayonets useful on a gun. However, the law was dumb because it was easy for manufactures to remove the offending features and more to the point, the offending features were totally cosmetic with respect to the function of the gun. This would be like saying you can't have a green gun but brown is OK... wait CA already does that...

FOIDs are hated in Illinois in part because the state often screws up the paperwork leaving gun owners in a legal bind. Imagine if your state DMV refused to let you request the paperwork to renew your tags until a week before the payment was due. Then they arbitrarily close down that week. So your tags will expire (and the state has a penalty for that) yet the state refuses to process the paperwork until next week. No, my example is not based on an actual case but if you read on some of the gun forums this sort of thing does happen in Illinois. The system has zero tolerance for errors when it comes to gun owners... even if the state is the one who made the error.

Incidentally, I went shooting with a friend in Illinois once. I had to prove I didn't live in state (thus couldn't get a FOID) just to be able to shoot someone else's gun at a range!
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The logic been, the founding fathers who wrote the Amendment didn't know that weapons could get so advanced and been used to kill so many innocent people, even little kids in such a short period of time, if they know, they would have thought twice before write such a Amendment. They only know firearms that can shoot several bullets before reload and that the small firearm bear people will face tanks and fighter jets and cannons if there really is a tyrant. For the case of India independence movement, they didn't use firearms to rise against the British troops, they used peaceful demonstrations. When they have enough supporters, they eventually won.
Ghandi thought somewhat differently than you....then again, he was there......

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest".


And please....read more, post less......
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