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Gun Incident Mega Thread - Post All Gun Incidents Here

Krazen1211 417 January 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM
http://www.bradenton.com/2013/01/...after.html

Manatee County sheriff's deputies continue to investigate an incident in which a man fatally shot an alleged robbery suspect Sunday night at his Bradenton home.

Two men were sitting in the carport of a residence in the 4200 block of 24th Street West about 10:20 p.m. when three suspects, dressed in black and wearing masks, approached on foot. James Brady, 26, allegedly pointed a handgun at one of the victims, ordering him to the ground, according to the sheriff's office.

That's when the victim, who has a conceal-carry license, pulled out a handgun, according to Dave Bristow, sheriff's office spokesman. Gunfire exchanged between the two men



Score one more for the good guys.

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I suppose, if you consider radishes to be targets.
only if you can consider paper targets can 'die.'
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Sad case that ought to outrage all law abiding citizens. Given the fact that the assistant DA had been assassinated just 8 weeks before, it seems likely that the DA would have been trained in the use of firearms for self-defense and permitted to carry a defensive weapon. But that did him no good--what's the use of a personal defensive firearm against an assault rifle, which exists for the sole purpose of inflicting death with ease on a maximum number of targets?


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_1...n-killing/
I think CBS is getting a little fast and loose with words. Assault rifles are very different from assault weapons. New purchases of assault rifles are already banned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assa...lt_weapons

Furthermore, without having the gun in possession, there is no way to know if the .223 or 5.56 round (presumably) was shot from a gun with or without two or more of the following (1994 definition of assault weapon): pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, flash suppressor, and grenade launcher.
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Quote from gunnerusa View Post :
Sad case that ought to outrage all law abiding citizens. Given the fact that the assistant DA had been assassinated just 8 weeks before, it seems likely that the DA would have been trained in the use of firearms for self-defense and permitted to carry a defensive weapon. But that did him no good--what's the use of a personal defensive firearm against an assault rifle, which exists for the sole purpose of inflicting death with ease on a maximum number of targets?
He should have had one of those full-auto "personal defense weapons" the DHS uses.
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I hear that a lot. Funny how it's never backed up with proof.
There's even a government-agency study on it from some years back. I forget which agency. Shouldn't be too hard for you to find.
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As statistics prove, this is a common outcome when law-aiding gun owners decide to become law-breaking gun owners.
What statistics "prove" this? Decades of evidence-based research studies do not support this.

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I have provided proof on numerous occasions that for every time a "home defense" gun is used in the home, it frequently is used by members of the family against members of the family.

Can you provide proof that for every time a knife is used in the home, it is frequently used to kill?
Anecdotal examples can be provided for any argument on anything. That does not constitute "proof". Evidence-based studies have concluded that guns are used anywhere from 2.5 to 8 times more frequently in defense than in violent crime. Certainly not all guns, knives, and bare hands are used defensively. So, yes, you will find your anecdotes, and those anecdotal examples are already illegal, so what's your point?

Knives kill ~5X as many people as "assault weapons". Accidental firearm-related deaths are at an all time low. Violent crime has been decreasing for decades. I have documented this in prior posts.

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Sad case that ought to outrage all law abiding citizens. Given the fact that the assistant DA had been assassinated just 8 weeks before, it seems likely that the DA would have been trained in the use of firearms for self-defense and permitted to carry a defensive weapon. But that did him no good--what's the use of a personal defensive firearm against an assault rifle, which exists for the sole purpose of inflicting death with ease on a maximum number of targets?
No one argues that owning or carrying a gun (or knife or grenade launcher or F-16) guarantees against death or great bodily harm. If it did, we would never lose a soldier in war and never lose an LEO to a violent criminal. Training and weapons guarantee nothing; they simply improve your odds and are the exercise of a fundamental right in this country. You are arguing the absurd.

Odd considering your handle centers around firearms.
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That just happened and it's under investigation. The shooter claims that he acted in self defense when Upton confronted him on his property and pulled a gun on him.
Fair enough, so I decided to wait a bit to reply. Here it is:

Upton died in his own yard.

The killer claims he fired in self defense after a weapon was pulled on him. No reports of any other weapon being found at the murder-area.

The killer claims he fired in self defense, shooting his victim once in the abdomen and once in the head with a .44 Magnum.

The police and the DA decided to file first degree murder charges, indicating that they have absolutely no reason to believe a single word that came out of the perp's mouth.

Conclusion: Upton was murdered.

http://www.10news.com/news/man-su...urt-040213
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... and so does Rodgers!
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And now the ATF raids FPS Russia's property. [huffingtonpost.com]

Great use of taxpayer dollars.
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Quote from gunnerusa View Post :
Fair enough, so I decided to wait a bit to reply. Here it is:

Upton died in his own yard.

The killer claims he fired in self defense after a weapon was pulled on him. No reports of any other weapon being found at the murder-area.

The killer claims he fired in self defense, shooting his victim once in the abdomen and once in the head with a .44 Magnum.
I'm sure in your own head, the words you bolded have some special significance.......


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The police and the DA decided to file first degree murder charges, indicating that they have absolutely no reason to believe a single word that came out of the perp's mouth.

Conclusion: Upton was murdered.
So because the DA has gone to court to have bail set, your conclusion is that Upton was murdered.

Interesting. Is that your litmus test for deciding the guilt or innocence of all persons charged in crimes? No trial, or even a completed investigation necessary? DA wants the person held, victim's girlfriend and brother who weren't witnesses say murder, so yup, he's guilty.

Or is it just your deflection from being called out for posting a news story and making assumptions with no evidence, hours after the incident happened?

Oh wait.... I forgot. Making pronouncements with no evidence, is standard operating procedure for the anti gun enthusiast crowd.....
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Knives kill ~5X as many people as "assault weapons".
Link?

Even with the extremely generous definitions of "assault weapons" used by the anti gun activists, I don't think it's that high.

Murders with all types of rifles usually run around 300-400 a year. Murders with knives are around 1800-2000 a year.

More people are killed with blunt objects every year than with "assault rifles".
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Link?

Even with the extremely generous definitions of "assault weapons" used by the anti gun activists, I don't think it's that high.

Murders with all types of rifles usually run around 300-400 a year. Murders with knives are around 1800-2000 a year.

More people are killed with blunt objects every year than with "assault rifles".
Right, it's actually skewed even more toward the knives. I usually use the all types of rifles stat [fbi.gov] to show that even skewed in the gun control advocates' favor, "assault weapons" are not nearly as much of an issue as other items and bare hands.
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Another school knifing happening right now.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/At...46521.html
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Another school knifing happening right now.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/At...46521.html
I wonder if it was a regular sporting knife or a military-style assault knife that was used because we all know the type of weapon used is the important thing to focus on.
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At this point one victim is in critical condition. Let's hope that there are no fatalities.
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From thursday

Uproar After Campus Police Respond to Gunman Scare With Pepper Spray & Batons Because of State Gun Law [yahoo.com]

... because when seconds count, police are 20 minutes away.

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State police officers- who are allowed to be armed on campus- were still arriving roughly twenty minutes after the first call for help went out, reports add.
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Mr. Sowell had an excellent article on how guns don’t just take lives but also saves them .. which is overlooked by the MSM.

…….The defensive use of guns is usually either not discussed at all in the media or else is depicted as if it means bullets flying in all directions, like the gunfight at the OK Corral. But most defensive uses of guns do not involve actually pulling the trigger.

If someone comes at you with a knife and you point a gun at him, he is very unlikely to keep coming, and far more likely to head in the other direction, perhaps in some haste, if he has a brain in his head. Only if he is an idiot are you likely to have to pull the trigger. And if he is an idiot with a knife coming after you, you had better have a trigger to pull

Surveys of American gun owners have found that 4 to 6 percent reported using a gun in self-defense within the previous five years. That is not a very high percentage but, in a country with 300 million people, that works out to hundreds of thousands of defensive uses of guns per year.

Yet we almost never hear about these hundreds of thousands of defensive uses of guns from the media, which will report the killing of a dozen people endlessly around the clock. ……




http://townhall.com/columnists/th...page/full/
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Biden doubling down on stupidity in Field & Stream [fieldandstream.com]:
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F&S: What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?

V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it is—I think most scholars would say—is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.”

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.
Biden now tripling down... [youtube.com]

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During an MSNBC panel on the White House's extensive push for gun control, Vice President Joe Biden stated that "if you use a shotgun when someone's invading your home, you don't kill your kids, use an AR-15 and it goes through the wall and can kill your kid in the bedroom."
Apparently shotguns can shoot through doors, but not walls... Crazy
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