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Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-tip

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An Applebee's waitress who posted a receipt with a note from a pastor complaining about the automatic gratuity added to the bill on the Internet was fired on Wednesday after the pastor complained to her manager.

Chelsea Welch, the waitress, wrote in an email to Yahoo News that the pastor (who has since been identified as Alois Bell) told Welch's manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the ensuing firestorm had "ruined" her reputation.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sides...20748.html


The female pastor has also has written a 28-page volume examines spiritual nourishment, complete with references to candy and junk food. The $10 paperback is titled "Watch the Hand that Feeds You." From her size, it appears she doesn't like to follows her own advice.





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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/docu...zes-687234
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02-01-2013 at 11:16 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:16 AM.
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You've never been a server.

One night in college I could easily make $100-$120 cash. I doubt I could make $15/hr doing something as fun(serving was fun with a bunch of college kids). You reward and form heirarchy in a restaurant by getting sections with more seating, meaning you have to work harder, but usually get bigger tips due to bigger bills. If servers didnt work off of tips, nobody would want to serve and restaurants arent hiking their menu prices to include the extra $10-$15hr they'd need to have servers.

Theres many reasons why tips are necessary in the restaurant business, if they included $15/hr wages into their menu prices nobody could afford to eat out.
That makes no sense. If people can currently afford to eat out with the server making $15/hr with food plus tips then why would they suddenly be unable to afford the same amount if it weren't separated?
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02-01-2013 at 11:18 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:18 AM.
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If you're working for $2.50/hr and serving a table of usually 8+ gets auto grat. You bust your ass and you get stiffed? Would you be happy?
So, you are saying when you wait on two tables of 4 you NEVER get stiffed but when you work on a table of 8 you ALWAYS get stiffed?

But, the root of my point...HOW IS WORKING FOR $2.50 in 2013 EVEN LEGAL!!!

Just give me a total price. What is this going to cost me... If the owner wants 90% of that...and fark over his workers...fine...he won't have a business in 2 months...why is it my job to pay each of his individual bills?
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02-01-2013 at 11:29 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:29 AM.
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So, you are saying when you wait on two tables of 4 you NEVER get stiffed but when you work on a table of 8 you ALWAYS get stiffed?

But, the root of my point...HOW IS WORKING FOR $2.50 in 2013 EVEN LEGAL!!!
Presumably because the restaurant business was large enough to lobby for it successfully however many years ago?
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Just give me a total price. What is this going to cost me... If the owner wants 90% of that...and fark over his workers...fine...he won't have a business in 2 months...why is it my job to pay each of his individual bills?
Because you're the customer, anywhere you shop, you're paying the owner's individual bills, they're just not all laid out separately on the receipt. You are aware that we tip servers in this country, so if you don't factor that into what the meal will cost, you're just deliberately being a bonehead. It's not like this is some new thing.
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02-01-2013 at 11:33 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:33 AM.
Quote from Landers :
Oh, I completely agree with you. I loathe auto-grats. If I'm auto-gratted, I will not leave an additional tip, even if they probably deserved one.
Why would you punish a server who has no control over automatic gratitude???
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02-01-2013 at 11:48 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:48 AM.
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You are completely missing the point and just letting your emotions getting you all caught up in a whirl because someone stiffed you once.

I am saying...I have no problem paying $15 for an AB's meal and a drink, and having a person bring it to me while I just sit there.

I DOOOO have a problem with being told I am going to pay $8 for a meal, and once I am done being told I have to then pay $15 because there were two tables of 4 pushed together, of which this jackass teenage girl that only checked on me once gets $3 even though she spent most of her time behind the counter playing on her iPhone.
I never got stiffed, I was a very good server.
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02-01-2013 at 11:54 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:54 AM.
Quote from FeedMeAlmonds :
Why would you punish a server who has no control over automatic gratitude???
I've worked in the industry. The grat doesn't have to be included. I've had a number of places split tix between 8+ people and not include an auto-grat.

I may be an ass, but they're already being auto-gratted their 18%. They are getting a tip. It's not like I'm completely failing to tip them. I feel to see that as punishing a server.

Also, if a server apologizes for the auto-grat, I'll tip additional. Had that happen a bunch as well.

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Thats stupid and selfish, auto-grat isnt controlled by the server but by the system more often than not. My ALOHA system auto put it on when there were 8 or more seats at the table.
I explained my reasoning above.

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You're all a bunch of cheap bastards, like eating out but not paying for anymore than the food.
No. You have zero knowledge about how I normally tip, what I do when I go out, or where I eat. Don't make assumptions about me because I believe that auto-grats are utter farking bullshit.

And just because you have been a server doesn't make you special of any kind or able to pass judgement on anyone here.
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02-01-2013 at 11:56 AM.
02-01-2013 at 11:56 AM.
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So, you are saying when you wait on two tables of 4 you NEVER get stiffed but when you work on a table of 8 you ALWAYS get stiffed?

But, the root of my point...HOW IS WORKING FOR $2.50 in 2013 EVEN LEGAL!!!

Just give me a total price. What is this going to cost me... If the owner wants 90% of that...and fark over his workers...fine...he won't have a business in 2 months...why is it my job to pay each of his individual bills?
You're talking like tiping and the restaurant business model is some new thing in 2013?

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I've worked in the industry. The grat doesn't have to be included. I've had a number of places split tix between 8+ people and not include an auto-grat.

I may be an ass, but they're already being auto-gratted their 18%. They are getting a tip. It's not like I'm completely failing to tip them. I feel to see that as punishing a server.

Also, if a server apologizes for the auto-grat, I'll tip additional. Had that happen a bunch as well.



I explained my reasoning above.



No. You have zero knowledge about how I normally tip, what I do when I go out, or where I eat. Don't make assumptions about me because I believe that auto-grats are utter farking bullshit.

And just because you have been a server doesn't make you special of any kind or able to pass judgement on anyone here.

No I'm passing judgement on the statment about even if they deserve it you wont tip more. thats what my comment was pointed at.
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02-01-2013 at 12:01 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:01 PM.
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You're talking like tiping and the restaurant business model is some new thing in 2013?




No I'm passing judgement on the statment about even if they deserve it you wont tip more. thats what my comment was pointed at.
Fair enough. I'll give you that, but from my experience they have the ability to not include the auto-grat.

Also, it's not like this happens often, I'm rarely out with a huge group. And I suppose my comment was a bit off.. It's not that I don't tip more when they deserve it, I don't tip over the auto-grat even though it's below what I usually tip. If they apologize for the auto-grat, or service is outstanding, I'll tip up to or beyond my usual amount.
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02-01-2013 at 12:06 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:06 PM.
Go figure, a woman complained about something at a restaurant Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

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02-01-2013 at 12:06 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:06 PM.
Quote from Landers :
Fair enough. I'll give you that, but from my experience they have the ability to not include the auto-grat.

Also, it's not like this happens often, I'm rarely out with a huge group. And I suppose my comment was a bit off.. It's not that I don't tip more when they deserve it, I don't tip over the auto-grat even though it's below what I usually tip. If they apologize for the auto-grat, or service is outstanding, I'll tip up to or beyond my usual amount.
thank you for clarifying.

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Now tipping is basically an instant reward system in a perfect tipping situation.
You serve a table of 6, a co-worker serves a table of 2. You're both on the same hourly wage(curties "pay them more than minimum wage"). How is it fair/even/justified to pay the guy whos doing 6 people the same as the guy doing 2 people? And no the guy with two tables doesnt necessarily have more tables to serve.
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02-01-2013 at 12:10 PM.
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Quote from Bareborn :
thank you for clarifying.

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Now tipping is basically an instant reward system in a perfect tipping situation.
You serve a table of 6, a co-worker serves a table of 2. You're both on the same hourly wage(curties "pay them more than minimum wage"). How is it fair/even/justified to pay the guy whos doing 6 people the same as the guy doing 2 people? And no the guy with two tables doesnt necessarily have more tables to serve.
Agreed. The person with a 6-top is doing more work. They definitely should get an appropriate tip based on the bill, work spent, and how good of a job they do. My usual tip is 20% or so; I'll go to 25% if it's exceptional. That goes for whether I'm paying for myself, two people, or if I'm covering a larger group.
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02-01-2013 at 12:11 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:11 PM.
Quote from Landers :
Agreed. The person with a 6-top is doing more work. They definitely should get an appropriate tip based on the bill, work spent, and how good of a job they do. My usual tip is 20% or so; I'll go to 25% if it's exceptional. That goes for whether I'm paying for myself, two people, or if I'm covering a larger group.
I agree, I'm generally 18-20%. 30% is the most i've ever tipped and they were on it.
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02-01-2013 at 12:13 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:13 PM.
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I never got stiffed, I was a very good server.
If I saw a table of hot chicks, I'd probably get "stiffed"... would that make me a bad server? Or if I up-tucked before they realized it, would that be ok and I'd still be a good server?
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02-01-2013 at 12:28 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:28 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
Or at the very least, complain to the manager while you're at the restaurant, rather than stiffing the waitstaff over corporate policy they have no control over, and being snarky about it to boot.
She didn't stiff her. She left her a cash tip in addition to the mandatory tip.
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8 people and bill was only $34.93 prior to gratuity? Wow, that is some cheap vittles.
They split it by person. Her fat ass managed to spend $35 on feed at applebees where you can feed two people for $20.
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02-01-2013 at 12:34 PM.
02-01-2013 at 12:34 PM.
Quote from chewspam :
She didn't stiff her. She left her a cash tip in addition to the mandatory tip.
I don't know. The Smoking Gun article says she claimed she left a $6 cash tip, but the quote from the waitress on the Yahoo link seems to indicate she was stiffed Dontknow
But that's about 18%, so why would she bitch about an 18% tip if that's how much she was going to tip anyway? Story doesn't add up, is she claiming to have paid and left a tip before she saw the receipt?
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