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College women told to urinate or vomit to deter a rapist

DJPlayer 9,932 690 February 21, 2013 at 08:20 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/20/jus...index.html

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College women told to urinate or vomit to deter a rapist

(CNN) -- A Colorado school has caused a stir with an advisory that suggested women could urinate or vomit to deter a rape.

The list of 10 tips by the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs was billed as "last resort" options to deter a sexual assault.

"Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating," read one tip.
"Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone," read another.
By Tuesday night, the list was taken down and replaced by an explanation and an apology. But it was too late.

Last week, Colorado lawmakers debated legislation that would ban firearms in college campus buildings. The debate made headlines after Democratic State Rep. Joe Salazar made controversial statements about ways to protect women on campuses, stating:

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"It's why we have call boxes. It's why we have safe zones. That's why we have the whistles, because you just don't know who you're going to be shooting at. And you don't know if you feel like you're going to be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop … pop a round at somebody."
Self defense via urination, puke, menstruation etc.. laugh out loud

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Self defense via urination, puke, menstruation etc.. laugh out loud

I'm struggling to find the humor here. And I have a very dark and sometimes very inappropriate sense of humor.
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I'm struggling to find the humor here. And I have a very dark and sometimes very inappropriate sense of humor.
the humor is that the advice is moronic.. It's like saying if an intruder breaks into to steal your television.. start peeing or vomit on your television so that he doesn't want it quite as much.. In fact that's might be a new liberal plan.. spread feces all over your home so that buglers don't want to break into your home.

the argument is protecting yourself.. vs. lessening the appeal to what the attacker wants.

per Salazar you may think you are going to be raped.. but you're not.. because.. um.. if a guy jumps you and pins you down.. that might just be his way of saying hello??
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I thought we weren't allowed to talk about Joe Salazar or our thread would be deleted?

The crap your pants advice has been out there for decades. It seems reasonable. What is there to apologize for. If it doesn't work, you you have only crapped your pants which is pretty minor compared to having been raped.

Makes it easier to id the attacker too b/c he will smell like shit.
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Are you claiming it would not work? Ever?

If it works, it's not as "moronic" as you claim.
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the humor is that the advice is moronic.. It's like saying if an intruder breaks into to steal your television.. start peeing or vomit on your television so that he doesn't want it quite as much.. In fact that's might be a new liberal plan.. spread feces all over your home so that buglers don't want to break into your home.

the argument is protecting yourself.. vs. lessening the appeal to what the attacker wants.

per Salazar you may think you are going to be raped.. but you're not.. because.. um.. if a guy jumps you and pins you down.. that might just be his way of saying hello??
Seeing as that 80% of rapes are by someone you know, not some intruder breaking into your home, telling them you're menstruating or vomiting on them might make that person think twice. If a woman is in a date rape situation, which is quite common, telling them you're on your period may very well work. I think people are overreacting to this.

And bringing in a political shot here by saying this could be a "new liberal plan" is just farking stupid. This isn't political. That is, unless we're talking about whether the rape was legitimate.
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the humor is that the advice is moronic.. It's like saying if an intruder breaks into to steal your television.. start peeing or vomit on your television so that he doesn't want it quite as much.. In fact that's might be a new liberal plan.. spread feces all over your home so that buglers don't want to break into your home.

the argument is protecting yourself.. vs. lessening the appeal to what the attacker wants.
It works. My friend awoke to an intruder in his home. He grabbed a bat and started smashing his stuff - TV, lamps, etc. The intruder GTFO like nobody's business. Maybe crapped his pants on the way out.
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the humor is that the advice is moronic.. It's like saying if an intruder breaks into to steal your television.. start peeing or vomit on your television so that he doesn't want it quite as much.. In fact that's might be a new liberal plan.. spread feces all over your home so that buglers don't want to break into your home.

the argument is protecting yourself.. vs. lessening the appeal to what the attacker wants.

per Salazar you may think you are going to be raped.. but you're not.. because.. um.. if a guy jumps you and pins you down.. that might just be his way of saying hello??
How is it moronic? You are comparing apples and oranges. I think it's a great idea. I'd shit all over my rapist.
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Seeing as that 80% of rapes are by someone you know, not some intruder breaking into your home, telling them you're menstruating or vomiting on them might make that person think twice. If a woman is in a date rape situation, which is quite common, telling them you're on your period may very well work. I think people are overreacting to this.

And bringing in a political shot here by saying this could be a "new liberal plan" is just farking stupid. This isn't political. That is, unless we're talking about whether the rape was legitimate.
actually it's more like 74%

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RAINN asserts that from 2000–2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[21][22] One factor relating to this is the misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[23] According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 38% of victims were raped by a friend or acquaintance, 28% by "an intimate" and 7% by another relative, and 26% were committed by a stranger to the victim. About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home.[24]
but let's examine.. who this 74% are when it comes to college individuals:

http://www.nyu.edu/shc/promotion/svstat.html

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Fellow classmates (35.5%)
Friends (34.2%)
Boyfriends or ex-boyfriends (23.7%)
Acquaintances (2.6%)
so of those say 8 out 10, there of them are merely people you've seen in one of your classes. Afterall they're not your friend, bf/x or even an acquaintance.

Now maybe peeing your pants may work, or even vomiting could also.. what would you guess is the effectiveness of those two techniques.. say vs. a .40 to the chest? I recall a women dying in India just recently from a vicious rape incident (and there's been an enormous surge of women going for weapons). Do you think she used any of these techniques.. if not do you think any would have been successful?
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If I am in the process of getting raped, I will do anything to stop that from happening. Shitting, vomiting, urinating all seem reasonable deterrent to me. If you are getting raped, why not try?

Oh I get it, this takes away luster from your everyone-needs-to-carry-a-gun-because-everyone-is-trying-to-rape-you argument. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness of urinating/shitting/vomiting as a deterrent to rape.
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Why not just follow Biden's advice and buy a shotgun?
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Are you claiming it would not work? Ever?

If it works, it's not as "moronic" as you claim.
True, any form of resistance will reduce the chance of actually being raped. The more vigorous the resistance, the more likely the woman will prevail. I think the moronic part is the idea that this is peddled as a better plan than possessing a weapon to include a firearm. But for the weakest and most vulnerable young ladies who have been deemed unworthy to possess firearms due to their age, vomiting and pissing might be the best weapon available.

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And bringing in a political shot here by saying this could be a "new liberal plan" is just farking stupid. This isn't political.
The thing that makes this political is the political agenda of the left to remove better means of resistance. This is along the lines of the discourse that says "the people are starving for lack of bread? Let them eat cake." It is an insensitive, unfeeling state that can't care for the consequence of its policies, and attempts to offer a silly substitute for freedom of choice.
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How is it moronic? You are comparing apples and oranges. I think it's a great idea. I'd shit all over my rapist.
You're trying to you determine the actions of a felon. What's to stop him from then not raping.. but instead beating you to a bloody pulp because you crapped on him (also I don't think crapping on him was one of the advised actions).
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Here's another twist... There are actually fetishes that involve vomit and/or feces. It may turn the rapist on more.
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True, any form of resistance will reduce the chance of actually being raped. The more vigorous the resistance, the more likely the woman will prevail. I think the moronic part is the idea that this is peddled as a better plan than possessing a weapon to include a firearm. But for the weakest and most vulnerable young ladies who have been deemed unworthy to possess firearms due to their age, vomiting and pissing might be the best weapon available.
Assuming of course, that weapon is not more likely to be taken from the woman and used against her.....

Or that she's even able to pull it from her purse in time after being surprised and restrained.
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