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New Cielo T3E46S1F 46" 1080p 60Hz 3D LED LCD HDTV. $348.00 (Walmart)

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Last Edited by DeividdoSama October 26, 2013 at 03:50 PM
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#16
I think you need at least 120hz for 3D. It has to split into two separate pictures @60hz. I could be wrong tho. Still props for the find. I'm sure many will bite. I might too. lol
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#17
I bought a 32" Cielo from Walmart in the summer, solely because of the low low price and the fact that it was white. It has performed perfectly so far. (We have no 3D sets in this house, so I don't know about that.)
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#18
I'm not up to date on 3D movie's frame rates, but aren't they still shooting like 24 fps? Meaning 60 hz should be fine for 3D?

I really do not see the point in these 120hz/240hz TV's. I have a 60hz monitor and it plays movies great.
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#19
I hope this is true, it seems to make sense to me. This is what I found when looking up what's best for 3D displays:

http://www.tekspree.com/what-are-...important/
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I created an account just to reply to this post.

First, all content in question is either shot in 24 or 30 frames/sec. If it's a modern Blu-Ray movie and it's connected to your TV, it will display in 1080p 24frames/sec. This is will look a bit funny on 60 hertz tv's because 60/24 = 2.5 so the TV has to drop frames as it displays to the screen. This is the jittery image you see versus that of a movie theater. If you don't know what I'm talking about. You have never seen a sports game shot in 30hz on a 120hz TV. Try it sometime at the store....WOW See below to understand why.

120Hertz TV's are still limited to receiving no higher than 60 hertz signal (more on that later). 120Hz and 240hz and higher TV's fake frames inbetween this frame and the next. They do this by reviewing both and noticing the changes and making a new frame "half way in between and continue to create inbetween frames".The nice thing about a 120hz tv is that 120/24=5 so it's an even number, that means it will have a nice smooth non jittery look when it's faking out those frames in-between the real ones. This works great for things like sports which tend to have a static smooth motion of view but still looks funny for action films. Watch the beginning of IronMan (original) on a good quality 120hz TV with a blueray player and you'll see what I mean. Fire and motions just look too smooth and fake. Fire even looks fake. This is because the fake frames for a football player moving down field is easy to know what is happening "between frames". When an action movie is moving the camera super fast or jumping from one camera view to another, the fake inbetween frames are not real motion. hense why it makes these movies look fake..

NOTE: the content is still shot in 24hz!!!!!! I don't care if you have a 2400hz tv, all that means is that your TV is busy creating fake frames inbetween and those fake frames only look good on some content.

TV shows are shot in 30 frames/sec. That is 24 vs 30 frames. 120/30 = 4 which is why 120hz TV"s are so popular in that they make both 24frame and 30frame content look smoother.

The HDMI 1.x standard doesn't support anything higher than 60hz so if you think you are getting at 120hz TV so you can get true 120hz content, you are dreaming. If you like fake frames to ruin your epic movies or make your sporting events look amazing then 120hz is worth your time.

Additionally, this is almost certainly a passive 3D TV which means cheap glasses from the RealD 3D theaters will work. It also means that 3D content is only in 1080i resolution because passtive 3d works on an interlaced polarized signal. Every other row of the TV pixels "spins" slightly left or right which corresponds to it being visible by the polarized lens in the left or right eye of the cheap glasses. This is cool because the glasses are dirt cheap, the technology doesn't suffer from "flicker". the down side is that it's not full 1080p resolution anymore (and the image is darker due to the lens filters. 3D on a passive display is not impacted by the refresh rate of the screen like others suggested in the thread.

The hobbit is the first movie that was shot in 48frames/sec. The fact that they decided to go to 48 instead of 60 makes me want to choke someone. 120/60 = 2, 120/48 = 2.5. the same issue the 60hz TV"s have with 24f content, the 120hz TV's will have with 48f content. It's like they want to ensure the movie theater has the best picture <insert conspiracy theory here>.

The real technology shift will occur with 4K passive 3d tv's with HDMI 2.X. HDMI 2.X has promised to allow higher than 60hz refresh so a 120hz or 240hz TV might actually be able to take higher frames. 4K TV's allow passive 3d at full 1080p.

Truth is, nearly all humans fail to process anything higher than 80-100 frames/sec so We'll likely stop at 120frames/sec. Also for TV's 80inches and smaller a 4K TV is smaller than humans can see from a reasonable viewing distance. They might go for 8K just to get 4k in passive mode but they might have a totally different 3d technology by then.

I'm too tired to go back and proof. I might have exchanged hz for frames etc. but you should get the idea. message me with questions.
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Last edited by corecomps October 8, 2013 at 09:21 PM
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I created an account just to reply to this post.

First, all content in question is either shot in 24 or 30 frames/sec. If it's a modern Blu-Ray movie and it's connected to your TV, it will display in 1080p 24frames/sec. This is will look a bit funny on 60 hertz tv's because 60/24 = 2.5 so the TV has to drop frames as it displays to the screen. This is the jittery image you see versus that of a movie theater. If you don't know what I'm talking about. You have never seen a sports game shot in 30hz on a 120hz TV. Try it sometime at the store....WOW See below to understand why.

120Hertz TV's are still limited to receiving no higher than 60 hertz signal (more on that later). 120Hz and 240hz and higher TV's fake frames inbetween this frame and the next. They do this by reviewing both and noticing the changes and making a new frame "half way in between and continue to create inbetween frames".The nice thing about a 120hz tv is that 120/24=5 so it's an even number, that means it will have a nice smooth non jittery look when it's faking out those frames in-between the real ones. This works great for things like sports which tend to have a static smooth motion of view but still looks funny for action films. Watch the beginning of IronMan (original) on a good quality 120hz TV with a blueray player and you'll see what I mean. Fire and motions just look too smooth and fake. Fire even looks fake. This is because the fake frames for a football player moving down field is easy to know what is happening "between frames". When an action movie is moving the camera super fast or jumping from one camera view to another, the fake inbetween frames are not real motion. hense why it makes these movies look fake..

NOTE: the content is still shot in 24hz!!!!!! I don't care if you have a 2400hz tv, all that means is that your TV is busy creating fake frames inbetween and those fake frames only look good on some content.

TV shows are shot in 30 frames/sec. That is 24 vs 30 frames. 120/30 = 4 which is why 120hz TV"s are so popular in that they make both 24frame and 30frame content look smoother.

The HDMI 1.x standard doesn't support anything higher than 60hz so if you think you are getting at 120hz TV so you can get true 120hz content, you are dreaming. If you like fake frames to ruin your epic movies or make your sporting events look amazing then 120hz is worth your time.

Additionally, this is almost certainly a passive 3D TV which means cheap glasses from the RealD 3D theaters will work. It also means that 3D content is only in 1080i resolution because passtive 3d works on an interlaced polarized signal. Every other row of the TV pixels "spins" slightly left or right which corresponds to it being visible by the polarized lens in the left or right eye of the cheap glasses. This is cool because the glasses are dirt cheap, the technology doesn't suffer from "flicker". the down side is that it's not full 1080p resolution anymore (and the image is darker due to the lens filters. 3D on a passive display is not impacted by the refresh rate of the screen like others suggested in the thread.

The hobbit is the first movie that was shot in 48frames/sec. The fact that they decided to go to 48 instead of 60 makes me want to choke someone. 120/60 = 2, 120/48 = 2.5. the same issue the 60hz TV"s have with 24f content, the 120hz TV's will have with 48f content. It's like they want to ensure the movie theater has the best picture <insert conspiracy theory here>.

The real technology shift will occur with 4K passive 3d tv's with HDMI 2.X. HDMI 2.X has promised to allow higher than 60hz refresh so a 120hz or 240hz TV might actually be able to take higher frames. 4K TV's allow passive 3d at full 1080p.

Truth is, nearly all humans fail to process anything higher than 80-100 frames/sec so We'll likely stop at 120frames/sec. Also for TV's 80inches and smaller a 4K TV is smaller than humans can see from a reasonable viewing distance. They might go for 8K just to get 4k in passive mode but they might have a totally different 3d technology by then.

I'm too tired to go back and proof. I might have exchanged hz for frames etc. but you should get the idea. message me with questions.
+1 This is all very solid information.
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Some people would go for this tv and spend that extra $200 for tablet or something useful for home.
or save 200 dollars and put it towards the new PS4 Big Grin
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I might be in for the Miss Cleo TV. On the other hand, several 50 inch TVs for $400-$420 at Wallyworld. So I don't know. Or 51 inch Samsung Plasma for $468 at Sams. Waiting for a home run deal for the holidays, hopefully from Dell since I have one of those crappy $100 promo gift cards.
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#25
$339 now! Good reviews.
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#26
Quote from brewzer View Post :
You don't want this TV if you plan on watching sports or gaming on it because it is 60hz and there will be blurring and/or ghosting going on.
Wrong. 60Hz is fine.

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Re...ootOut.htm

Quote from MrBlackFriday View Post :
60hz is why it's so cheap, and off-brand. Better off spending $200 more and getting 120hz over the holidays.
WRONG.

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Re...ootOut.htm
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Last edited by audiokingman October 23, 2013 at 05:07 PM
#27
I got it,

Picture is very very good, sound is ok.
3d is better than my sony 50" that costs 1200 .....

Just couple it with a good home theater and it is a very good tv for that price
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#28
Would love to bite, but Walmart.com does not have free return shipping right? No stores in NYC and no car means I would be screwed if I had to return this.
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#29
Anyone purchased this model?
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Anyone purchased this model?
I did, I've had it for a week and works pretty good. No motion blur that I can tell while gaming or watching 3d content. Picture is clear. As I said before sound is not that good but not horrible either.
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