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MCCAIN
-tax cuts to 95% of americans + businesses that will create/save jobs
-anti-abortion
-not for gay marriage

OBAMA
-pro-abortion
-pro gay marriage
-tax cuts to only 95% of americans



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In '04, he said he wasn't qualified to be president.
That was 4 years ago Wink
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That was 4 years ago Wink
So his 3.5yrs minus however long he's been campaigning as a Junior Senator has given him that experience and qualifications? Wink
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So his 3.5yrs minus however long he's been campaigning as a Junior Senator has given him that experience and qualifications? Wink
I don't think experience really matters for a president. My point is that you can't really use his own words from 4 years ago against him.
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I don't think experience really matters for a president. My point is that you can't really use his own words from 4 years ago against him.
OK.... that's the best line I've heard all day.....

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OK.... that's the best line I've heard all day.....

laugh out loud
I mean I don't think any president should be Joe Blow off the street, but I think being in government is enough experience.

They have advisers that do a lot of the actual work for them.
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In '04, he said he wasn't qualified to be president.
He's been through dozens of debates, plus major speeches and loads of stump speeches, and he's proven time after time that he's a better speaker, thinker and leader. He's always cool under fire. He explains things clearly.

Romney made a speech about religion, and everybody shrugged. Obama gave a speech about race, and it was fantastic. He is the right stuff.
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He's been through dozens of debates, plus major speeches and loads of stump speeches, and he's proven time after time that he's a better speaker, thinker and leader. He's always cool under fire. He explains things clearly.

Romney made a speech about religion, and everybody shrugged. Obama gave a speech about race, and it was fantastic. He is the right stuff.
Iagree

Plus, you can't discount his Harvard law degree and the fact that he graduated at the top of his class. I think an understanding of law is a great thing to have in a president.
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Yes and George Washington and the early founding fathers had all the experience in the world...??

These men came up with ideas that was as good in the 19th century as it is as good today..
Their wisdom transcended time..
You're kidding, right?

I'll match George Washington's experience against Obama's any day.....

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In his youth, Washington worked as a surveyor, and acquired what would become invaluable knowledge of the terrain around his native Colony of Virginia.[11] Washington embarked upon a career as a planter and in 1748 was invited to help survey Baron Fairfax's lands west of the Blue Ridge. In 1749, he was appointed to his first public office, surveyor of newly created Culpeper County,[10][12] and through his half-brother, Lawrence Washington, he became interested in the Ohio Company, which aimed to exploit Western lands. In 1751, George and his half-brother traveled to Barbados, staying at Bush Hill House,[13] hoping for an improvement in Lawrence's tuberculosis. This was the only time George Washington traveled outside what is now the United States.[14] After Lawrence's death in 1752, George inherited part of his estate and took over some of Lawrence's duties as adjutant of the colony.[15]

Washington was appointed a district adjutant general in the Virginia militia in 1752,[10] which made him Major Washington at the age of 20. He was charged with training the militia in the quarter assigned to him.[16] At age 21, in Fredericksburg, Washington became a Master Mason in the organization of Freemasons, a fraternal organization that was a lifelong influence.[17][18]

In December 1753, Washington was asked by Governor Robert Dinwiddie of Virginia to carry a British ultimatum to the French on the Ohio frontier.[10] Washington assessed French military strength and intentions, and delivered the message to the French at Fort Le Boeuf in present day Waterford, Pennsylvania. The message, which went unheeded, called for the French to abandon their development of the Ohio country, setting in motion two colonial powers toward worldwide conflict. Washington's report on the affair was widely read on both sides of the Atlantic.

In 1754, Dinwiddie commissioned Washington a lieutenant colonel and ordered him to lead an expedition to Fort Duquesne to drive out the French.[10] With his American Indian allies led by Tanacharison, Washington and his troops ambushed a French scouting party of some 30 men, led by Joseph Coulon de Jumonville.[21] Washington and his troops were overwhelmed at Fort Necessity by a larger and better positioned French and Indian force. The terms of surrender included a statement that Washington had assassinated Jumonville after the ambush. Washington could not read French, and, unaware of what it said, signed his name.[22] Released by the French, Washington returned to Virginia, where he was cleared of blame for the defeat, but resigned because he did not like the new arrangement of the Virginia Militia.[22]

In 1755, Washington was an aide to British General Edward Braddock on the ill-fated Monongahela expedition.[10] This was a major effort to retake the Ohio Country. While Braddock was killed and the expedition ended in disaster, Washington distinguished himself as the Hero of the Monongahela.[23] While Washington's role during the battle has been debated, biographer Joseph Ellis asserts that Washington rode back and forth across the battlefield, rallying the remnant of the British and Virginian forces to a retreat.[24] Subsequent to this action, Washington was given a difficult frontier command in the Virginia mountains, and was rewarded by being promoted to colonel and named commander of all Virginia forces.[10]

In 1758, Washington participated as a brigadier general in the Forbes expedition that prompted French evacuation of Fort Duquesne, and British establishment of Pittsburgh.

Washington first took a leading role in the growing colonial resistance in 1769, when he introduced a proposal drafted by his friend George Mason which called for Virginia to boycott imported English goods until the Townshend Acts were repealed. Parliament repealed the Acts in 1770. Washington also took an active interest in helping his fellow citizens. On September 21, 1771, Washington wrote a letter to Neil Jameson on behalf of Jonathan Plowman Jr., a merchant from Baltimore whose ship had been seized for exporting non-permitted items by the Boston Frigate, and requested his help toward recovery of Plowman's ship.[31] Washington regarded the passage of the Intolerable Acts in 1774 as "an Invasion of our Rights and Privileges." In July 1774, he chaired the meeting at which the Fairfax Resolves were adopted, which called for, among other things, the convening of a Continental Congress. In August, he attended the First Virginia Convention where he was selected as a delegate to the First Continental Congress.
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Rove said " Obama has won the last 252 national polls " We'll if you go to fivethirtyeight.com , they have the odds of McCain losing the popular vote and winning the election at 1.11%
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Maybe we should start calling obama, pelosobama, or Obamosi. After all, he voted with his party 97% of the time, and congress has lower ratings than Bush right now.
Can't really argue with congress sucking lately, although I don't think it has necessarily been worse in the last two years. They only appear worse in contrast to the higher expectations we had (and of course, they promised to deliver on) when the majority shifted.

Will we now see a fillibuster-proof majority emerge? We'll find out soon. I know one old republican from Alaska that certainly won't be farting in his chair on CSPAN for much longer.
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He's been through dozens of debates, plus major speeches and loads of stump speeches, and he's proven time after time that he's a better speaker, thinker and leader. He's always cool under fire. He explains things clearly.
How do a bunch of speeches show he is a better leader?
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27488250/

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NBC/WSJ poll: Obama holds significant lead

The McCain campaign is going to have to thread the needle to pull out a victory on Election Day, says Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. The campaign is facing an uphill battle.

Hart puts it this way: The results of this survey says it is going to take more than rain, sleet or snow to derail the Obama express. He is holding all the high cards, and that is a hand that is hard to beat.
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Final USA TODAY/Gallup estimate: Obama, 53%; McCain, 42%
Gallup says the group it surveyed is mostly made up of voters who fit its "traditional" model of those likely to show up at the polls. Also among the 2,472 are some who have already voted -- including first-timers.
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Did you guys see the new 5 polls that included cell phones, the average is 9.4 percent. Which means Obama could win the popular vote by as much as 10-12 million .
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Did you guys see the new 5 polls that included cell phones, the average is 9.4 percent. Which means Obama could win the popular vote by as much as 10-12 million .
I think a problem with the numbers coming from polls that include cell phone users is that it includes a higher percentage of young people who are traditionally not reliable voters. These polls give a better sense of where the nation lies, but not where the voting will end up.
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I don't think experience really matters for a president. My point is that you can't really use his own words from 4 years ago against him.
And my point is that in his 3.5yrs now as a Junior Senator minus the time spent campaigning...that has given him the experience needed to lead a country in an executive position?

Its a yes or no question.
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