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What keeps screwing up my win10 install?

Dr. J 25,043 3,353 April 3, 2016 at 06:09 AM
I know there isn't a lot to go on - several weeks ago I posted about how (I thought) a power dip at just the right moment when my PC was waking up from sleep screwed up the MFT and eventually resulted in having to reinstall the OS.

Well it happened again this AM except I woke up to the Win10 screen "do you want to try automatic repair". fark.

I have the drive on another machine taking off the data before I try stuff, but based on my last experience, nothing worked. Win10 auto repair, system restore, chkdsk, blah blah blah all didn't work and I wound up doing a reinstall. At one point in those numerous reboots I was able to get back into Win10 but there was a lot of messed up stuff - missing icons, etc.

I might be doing that again today - but what the fark is happening that's screwing up Windows? I am pretty sure it's a Win10 issue as so far the drive checks out (Samsung EVO 500GB SSD). As much as I like having a fresh install all the time, the few hours spent screwing around with hardware and reinstalling stuff is a PITA.

Would turning off sleeping help?

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More info.

So I took the SSD out to make sure I had the most recent versions of files - installed in external drive carrier, copied files over and did a chkdsk, which of course found no problems.

Then I reinstalled the SSD in the main PC and to my surprise it booted right into Win10. Huh. Except.... lots of icons were missing/had generic icon images, etc. Also just about anything I tried to execute generated a "side by side configuration incorrect" error. The only stuff that seemed to work was Win key&R (run) and cmd. Task manager (Ctl/Alt/Del) didn't even work. Through all the BS I ran a chkdsk again (again no errors) as well as a sfc /scannow, which ran but didn't find any errors.

A few reboots generated a Win10 error that said "NTFS_FILE_SYSTEM".

So I was able to get back into Win10 and have it let me run a Win10 in place upgrade from a USB bootable I've had around (back when it had the "side by side" error it wouldn't let me run the exe from the USB). When it came back online, the icons were still farked, etc.

In the end I just deleted all partitions, reformatted and reinstalled. I updated the firmware of the SSD to v2 (was v1) and installed Samsung Magician on the PC and let it make system changes to optimize SSD performance (something I didn't have installed before).

So I installed everything, did a "virgin" OS backup with EaseUs and here I am.

This doesn't give me any warm fuzzies though.... I'm still not sure WTF happened.
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Windows 10 is causing the problems. Try windows 7 or ubuntu
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Windows 10 is causing the problems. Try windows 7 or ubuntu
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Two ignorant posts in a row...
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Thanks for the fodder.

IT appears that the fark ups happen when the system is brought out of sleep mode. The first time it got corrupted was right after I brought it out of sleep - got to the "login" screen (I don't require a pw) and then it crashed. This most recent time I woke up to it being messed up, but in checking the backups, the nightly midnight backup happened (the system wakes up for this), so I can only assume that the wake up process screwed it up.

As I said I installed Magician, which "optimizes" system settings for "reliability" one of which included disabling sleep and hibernation.
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IDK. You'll probably never know unless it happens again, all the evidence is gone.
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I'm suspecting a driver issue. What type of system is it and what's your video card model?

Is there any .dmp file generated in this crash?
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Two ignorant posts in a row...
You only posted once though
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I'm suspecting a driver issue. What type of system is it and what's your video card model?

Is there any .dmp file generated in this crash?
*could* be I guess.... I reformatted both times before looking for crash dump files though. Some relvant stuff from Belarc:

Dell Inc. XPS 8700
Board: Dell Inc. 0KWVT8 A03
3.60 gigahertz Intel Core i7-4790
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
8192 kilobyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
Hyper-threaded (8 total)
16334 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory (4x4)
Intel(R) 8 Series/C220 Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 [Display adapter]

All the "latest" drivers..... I download them on the fly during the install and use Dell's "driver update" util where needed.
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Quote from Dr. J View Post :
*could* be I guess.... I reformatted both times before looking for crash dump files though. Some relvant stuff from Belarc:

Dell Inc. XPS 8700
Board: Dell Inc. 0KWVT8 A03
3.60 gigahertz Intel Core i7-4790
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
8192 kilobyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
Hyper-threaded (8 total)
16334 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory (4x4)
Intel(R) 8 Series/C220 Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 [Display adapter]

All the "latest" drivers..... I download them on the fly during the install and use Dell's "driver update" util where needed.
My XPS 8700 has been pretty stable lately, I haven't upgraded to Windows 10 yet. I do still get the occasional "Black Screen of Death" where the system is completely unresponsive (no network activity and the caps lock key doesn't work, windows event log just stops) and I have to power cycle.

My old Asus motherboard had LOTS of ACPI problems, so I'm quite familiar with that type of problem.
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I will be doing my 1st upgrade to Win10. I've been doing a lot of research about it.

Does everyone agree that it is better to disconnect the internet before performing the upgrade, I've read that it makes the upgrade go much faster.

Thanks in advance! worship
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I will be doing my 1st upgrade to Win10. I've been doing a lot of research about it.

Does everyone agree that it is better to disconnect the internet before performing the upgrade, I've read that it makes the upgrade go much faster.

Thanks in advance! worship
I don't know if it matters. Personally, I'd only do an upgrade with media created using the media creation tool.
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Have you tried updating the BIOS - looks like A11 is the latest? LINK [dell.com]

This thread [dell.com] seems to discuss similar issues you are having
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Have you tried updating the BIOS - looks like A11 is the latest? LINK [dell.com]

This thread [dell.com] seems to discuss similar issues you are having

yes I did but after the first screw up - it's screwed up since as well.

Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: Dell Inc. A11 07/09/2015

Also not sure what you are pointing to in that thread.... seems to be a video card upgrade discussion?
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