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The [s]only[/s] way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a [s]gun[/s] can of pepper spray

tedcruz 9,492 61 June 15, 2016 at 03:58 PM
Video Shows Dramatic Takedown of Seattle University Gunman [go.com]

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A student at a Seattle university is shown pepper spraying a gunman then taking him to the ground during a 2014 shooting in video released this week by authorities.

The King County Prosecutor's Office on Tuesday released footage of the June 5, 2014, incident that left one student dead to satisfy a public records request. In the video, Aaron Ybarra, then 27, is seen entering a building at Seattle Pacific University holding a shotgun. He shoots and injures a student before Jon Meis runs into the lobby and confronts him, dragging him to the ground and taking the shotgun.
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At this point Meis emerges, hits Ybarra in the face with pepper spray and lunges at him, taking him down in a neck hold then removing the gun. Ybarra rolls around before Meis returns, grabbing him again in a headlock before another man helps subdue Ybarra.
Clearly the NRA overstates the necessity of guns for defense.

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Video Shows Dramatic Takedown of Seattle University Gunman [go.com]

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A student at a Seattle university is shown pepper spraying a gunman then taking him to the ground during a 2014 shooting in video released this week by authorities.

The King County Prosecutor's Office on Tuesday released footage of the June 5, 2014, incident that left one student dead to satisfy a public records request. In the video, Aaron Ybarra, then 27, is seen entering a building at Seattle Pacific University holding a shotgun. He shoots and injures a student before Jon Meis runs into the lobby and confronts him, dragging him to the ground and taking the shotgun.
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At this point Meis emerges, hits Ybarra in the face with pepper spray and lunges at him, taking him down in a neck hold then removing the gun. Ybarra rolls around before Meis returns, grabbing him again in a headlock before another man helps subdue Ybarra.

Clearly the NRA overstates the necessity of guns for defense.
Maybe you have an ax to grind against the NRA, maybe you feel it necessary to open a thread to vent your angst.

Your opening this thread is reckless in that you suggest, if not outright encourage such horribly dangerous behavior as confronting an active shooter threatening the use of a firearm - specifically a shotgun - with pepper spray.

Hopefully more rational minds will prevail as to the discussion value, as well as the liability of allowing/condoning posting of the behaviors you illustrate.
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Maybe you have an ax to grind against the NRA, maybe you feel it necessary to open a thread to vent your angst.
You mean the "angst" of enduring NRA lies?

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Your opening this thread is reckless in that you suggest, if not outright encourage such horribly dangerous behavior as confronting an active shooter threatening the use of a firearm - specifically a shotgun - with pepper spray.
Hopefully more rational minds will prevail as to the discussion value, as well as the liability of allowing/condoning posting of the behaviors you illustrate.
You give me and SD far, far, too much credit. If what you say were true, the national network news is far more "liable."

But of course it is not.
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I seem to recall a story where a cop sprayed a suspect with pepper spray and the suspect promptly returned the favor by shooting the cop dead.
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I seem to recall a story where a cop sprayed a suspect with pepper spray and the suspect promptly returned the favor by shooting the cop dead.
Do you happen to "recall" whether he sprayed the perp in the face?

Or waited for the perp to reload his gun like the Seattle student did?

BTW, this thread is not about denying the effectiveness of guns in stopping criminals; it is about that not being the ONLY way....
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in others news..

Disarm a gun w/ your bare hands!!!

World's Fastest Gun Disarm Man? (.08 second Victor Marx 7th Degree Black Belt) [youtube.com]

You can also use your mind power to freeze them in their tracks.. They will then immediately turn themselves in to the local authorities...

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in others news..

Disarm a gun w/ your bare hands!!!

World's Fastest Gun Disarm Man? (.08 second Victor Marx 7th Degree Black Belt) [youtube.com]

You can also use your mind power to freeze them in their tracks.. They will then immediately turn themselves in to the local authorities...

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Just hypnotize them!

"you are gettin' veui veui sweepyyy, your want a comfy pillow, not a gun, on the count of "three" drop your gun.. "three"!..
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Maybe you have an ax to grind against the NRA, maybe you feel it necessary to open a thread to vent your angst.

Your opening this thread is reckless in that you suggest, if not outright encourage such horribly dangerous behavior as confronting an active shooter threatening the use of a firearm - specifically a shotgun - with pepper spray.

Hopefully more rational minds will prevail as to the discussion value, as well as the liability of allowing/condoning posting of the behaviors you illustrate.
it's disturbing that a Podium anti-gun community member is trying to tout using a less than guaranteed non-lethal device against a criminal with a lethal device (gun). not just disturbing, but also HIGHLY DANGEROUS to those who might be fooled by the Podium anti-gun community member into thinking that this is a smart way to behave when defending themselves against an armed criminal. no self defense instructor would recommend using pepper spray against a criminal with a gun. i urge anyone reading his original post and the link he provided, proceed for entertainment purposes only. nothing more.

since the Podium progressive has decided to share stories of devices that would be used against an armed criminal, i recommend that others post the devices they use as well. no devices shall be excluded.

here is mine (grabbed an image that's nearly identical):



Ruger LC9S Pro (no external thumb safety, no magazine disconnect)
Crimson Trace Laser
9 Round Extended Floor Plate Magazine (carry 9 + 1)
Hogue Handall grip
CE Kydex IWB holster

Depending on where I am going, an extra 9-Round extended floor plate magazine will be on my person via a tuckable IWB kydex single stack magazine holster
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Most pepper spray has an effective range of 15-18 feet. What about someone with a gun that's 20 feet away OP?

And furthermore, to suggest pepper spray is a reasonable way to confront a person holding a gun on you is not only insane, it's incredibly dangerous.

OP should be ashamed of himself. I hope no one actually believes this lunacy and tries to defend themselves in this manner.
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Most pepper spray has an effective range of 15-18 feet. What about someone with a gun that's 20 feet away OP?

To suggest pepper spray is a reasonable way to confront a person holding a gun on you is not only insane, it's incredibly dangerous.

OP should be ashamed of himself. I hope no one actually believes this lunacy and tries to defend themselves in this manner.
the OP should be required to put a disclaimer on his original post. he should not be providing or hinting at anything advice-related to self defense. he is without adequate credentials to be giving anyone advice on said subject. this isn't the first time the OP has tried to the lecture the Podium community on self defense actually:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8459597-does-christie-have-a-chance-fading-2016-candidate-chris-christie-vet...


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If someone invaded my house, I would exit if I could with my cell phone, while calling the cops, who respond quickly here. If the thieves wait around long enough to cart stuff out, they will be arrested. If not, my insurance will make me whole.
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why are the tools and methods in which someone defends their family, their home, and their property, of any concern to you?

why are you making any sort of recommendation to a gun owner on how to defend their home, when you don't own a gun? (whether you are being sarcastic or not isn't the point)

and third, why are you broadcasting your flaccid approach to home defense on the internet?
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Because when you own a gun and/or insist on easy access to guns, it creates a greater risk to my being assaulted by a gun, either by your misuse or by someone who steals it from you.
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yet we park our vehicles in the driveway and vehicles are not only stolen every second of the day, but they kill people too...many many people. where is your outrage on how careless homeowners are for leaving their vehicles outside of their homes for all to steal?

if you were in the community room in San Bernardino where the shooting took place by the two radical islamist terrorists - are you to tell me that your concern at the moment the shooting began would be that you would be shot not by the terrorists firing .223 from a semi-automatic rifle but instead by the well trained co-worker next to you who was conceal carrying a S&W M&P Shield 9mm loaded with 124 gr XTP Hornady HP's? this would be despite you co-worker being your only chance of survival really. is your concern that you would be shot in the cross-fire? that's a valid concern. do you think you would be immune to that when the police show up?
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Whether I own a gun or not has no bearing on my right to make recommendations.
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it has full bearing when it comes to defending ones home with a gun when you yourself don't own one and don't use one for self defense. it would be like if you didn't have a driver's license and you're giving people advice in the Podium on how to drive a vehicle. what kind of nonsense is that?
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1. It's not "flaccid."
2. Why shouldn't I? Even if I'm doing it just to annoy YOU.
3. Why are you "broadcasting" your opinion here?
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1) the very nature of home defense isn't jumping out of a window to call 911 while your wife and kids are left in the house to be raped, murdered, or kidnapped. fine, if you don't want to defend your property...i get it. you would rather flee. ok great. say you and your wife have the ability to jump out of your 2nd story bedroom window. what about the kids rooms down the hall on the opposite end? are you going to leave them sleeping by themselves while a murderer, rapist, or serial killer are down stairs in your home? how selfish is that. also, you are presuming to be in a township with a response time under 6 mins which may be the case if you live in a suburban township. what about if you live in a city and the police are backed up? what if you live in rural america where it can take 45 mins for police to arrive? too many what ifs to bank on you being able to jump out the window to save the day for you, your wife, and your kids.

2) because it's dangerous to broadcast how you plan on defending your home on the internet. why would you do such a dangerous thing to broadcast that and put your life and your family's lives in danger? you are giving away, literally to the world, how you intend to flee out of a window and give free reign to anyone who wants to break into your home. for a criminal who reads that and has the ability to track your IP address to your address, you essentially gave away everything minus the keys to your front door. laugh out loud

3) i am broadcasting my opinion in the Podium because that is what the Podium is for. you are broadcasting a flaccid home defense plan (if you could even call it that) to the entire world of how you plan on not defending your home so a criminal would know he could steal all of your shit, rape and/or kill your family, and have nothing to worry about from you, the man of the household, who fled the scene out through a window in his tighty whities and an undershirt. how would you live with yourself?
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Most pepper spray has an effective range of 15-18 feet. What about someone with a gun that's 20 feet away OP?
Run towards them and spray, spray, spray!! Seedoctor

You are not suppose to ask questions.

Reminds me an old anecdote.
A man needed money, so he rubbed 2 red bricks into the powder, put into the small bags and promoted as an effective bedbugs remedy. He sold it cheap, and soon enough everything was sold out. A buyer of the very last bag asked how to use it, since it does not come with instructions. "Catch that bedbug and pour my powder into his throat until it chokes to death. Repeat until you get rid of pests. "
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And furthermore, to suggest pepper spray is a reasonable way to confront a person holding a gun on you is not only insane, it's incredibly dangerous.

OP should be ashamed of himself. I hope no one actually believes this lunacy and tries to defend themselves in this manner.
spray can be useful on contact attacks, not when someone has you on the gunpoint.
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in others news..

Disarm a gun w/ your bare hands!!!

World's Fastest Gun Disarm Man? (.08 second Victor Marx 7th Degree Black Belt) [youtube.com]

You can also use your mind power to freeze them in their tracks.. They will then immediately turn themselves in to the local authorities...

Ninja
In the event you find yourself without your weapon, you better hope this guy is your wingman. That is nothing short of badass. Thumbup
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Wonder Woman deflects bullets with bracelets - actual proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtZc6CrIFzE

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Wonder Woman deflects bullets with bracelets - actual proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtZc6CrIFzE

or this one from Elysium: http://coub.com/view/7lqnqr0u




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BTW, this thread is not about denying the effectiveness of guns in stopping criminals; it is about that not being the ONLY way....
Reminder to all the jokers here who have nothing serious to say.
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