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Samsung PM961 (OEM Samsung 960) 1TB M.2 SSD NVMe - $520 (ebay)

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This is latest Samsung SSD thats faster than the PM951 at 3,000 MB/s Read and 1,200 MB/s Write. They are OEM only at the moment (I'm guessing they will be rebadged as 960 Pro or EVO in the future) so only available as OEM pulls like this listing. I was looking for something to upgrade from my 500GB 850 Evo and this is about 5 times faster at the same price per GB.

Info: http://www.pcper.com/news/Storage...Are-Coming



You can also make an offer to the seller, They took my $500 shipped offer.

1TB $520 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-9...1921544634



They also list the 256 and 128 SM/MLC versions for cheap:

256GB $210 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-9...2099757562

128GB $120 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-9...1921516532
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The 256GB and 512GB are SM961, which are the throughput monsters. The 1TB you linked is PM961, not SM961, which is TLC instead of MLC, and significantly slower with less endurance. The SM961 1TB is about $1K so far.
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This or the Toshiba 1TB XG3? XG3 has better writes but slower reads (2400/1500): http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/...ndex5.html

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This or the Toshiba 1TB XG3? XG3 has better writes but slower reads (2400/1500): http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/...ndex5.html [tweaktown.com]
XG3 is comparable to SM951; I bought both specifically to compare them and keep one, before SM961 came out. I ended up keeping the SM951. I'd skip PM951/961, only look at the SM models, and 961 blows everything else out of the water.
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The 256GB and 512GB are SM961, which are the throughput monsters. The 1TB you linked is PM961, not SM961, which is TLC instead of MLC, and significantly slower with less endurance. The SM961 1TB is about $1K so far.
On the linked ebay page it lists the SM961 as MLC as well?
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The 256GB and 512GB are SM961, which are the throughput monsters. The 1TB you linked is PM961, not SM961, which is TLC instead of MLC, and significantly slower with less endurance. The SM961 1TB is about $1K so far.

Its still much better than my current 850 Evo though correct? Is it better than the 950 Pro?

It seems the only con is that its TLC but isnt the highly regarded 850 Evo TLC as well? Im still thinking this is the best deal available for someone who wants a 1TB NVME around $500
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on the linked ebay page it lists the sm961 as mlc as well?
Right. SM=MLC, PM=TLC.
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i think i need a 3.2tb pm1725
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Its still much better than my current 850 Evo though correct? Is it better than the 950 Pro?

It seems the only con is that its TLC but isnt the highly regarded 850 Evo TLC as well?
I haven't seen any reviews of the PM961 yet, but 99% chance it'll beat your 850 Evo since the 850 is still bottlenecked by the SATA interface. Less clear how 950Pro/SM951 will fare against PM961, given it's MLC with a one-year-old controller against a brand new controller but with TLC slowing it down. Based on specs alone, it looks like PM961 will still be faster.
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Right. SM=MLC, PM=TLC.

enterprise pm's are mlc: pm963 and pm1725 are mlc
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Right. SM=MLC, PM=TLC.
On that ebay chart it says That PM is Samsung 3-bit MLC V-NAND (MLC) though...
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enterprise pm's are mlc: pm963 and pm1725 are mlc
True, though I was only referring to the models mentioned in this thread. So SM951/SM961 vs PM951/PM961.

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On that ebay chart it says That PM is Samsung 3-bit MLC V-NAND (MLC) though...
"3-bit MLC" is Samsung's name for TLC. ("Three-level cell" rather than "3-bit multi-level cell")
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Its still much better than my current 850 Evo though correct? Is it better than the 950 Pro?

It seems the only con is that its TLC but isnt the highly regarded 850 Evo TLC as well? Im still thinking this is the best deal available for someone who wants a 1TB NVME around $500
pretty much any m.2 x4 (nvme) is better then any standard sata ssd.

its slightly "better" then a 950pro. has better raw number specs. has higher iops, but slower writes.

some people might prefer the MLC of the 950 pro. i would probably go for whichever was cheaper.
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"3-bit MLC" is Samsung's name for TLC. ("Three-level cell" rather than "3-bit multi-level cell")
Ahh sneaky

I was starting to feel I bought the wrong item (MLC) but slightly better than 950 Pro levels of performance at a cheaper price sounds good to me. I honestly would have gotten a 1TB 950 Pro but they don't exist.
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enterprise pm's are mlc: pm963 and pm1725 are mlc
Also, the enterprise examples you gave are all TLC:
Quote from http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global/file/insight/2016/08/Samsung_PM963-1.pdf :
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Flash memory chips in the Samsung V-NAND architecture of the PM963 stack cells in a vertical arrangement and utilizes TLC (triple-level cell) technology...
Quote from https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-rolls-out-strong-line-up-of-v-nand-ssds-primarily-geared-to-enterprise-and-data-center-customers :
Designed for OEMs, Samsung's new SSDs – the PM1633, PM1725 and PM953 all utilize Samsung's 3-bit MLC (multi-level-cell)...
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