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SVS Outlet SB13 Ultra Subwoofer Clearance - Up to $450 off normal outlet prices.

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SVS just announced the new Ultra 16 series of subwoofers. I'm not sure if this is related, but SB13 Ultra Subwoofers are massively discounted in the Outlet right now. Normally the refurbs go for $1,449.99, but some are as low as $999. I recently upgraded from a SB2000 to the SB13 and the difference was night and day (wish I could've saved $450!).

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It normally depends how long that particular unit has been in the outlet. They drop the prices of each one after a few weeks. That's why some are $1449 and some are $999.

If you keep an eye on them, you can find some good deals if you wait long enough.
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I once got from them Outlet SB13-Ultra for $1,249 that was perfectly new.
Although $999 models listed with no grille and marks all over.
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Dual SB13 Ultra or one SB16 Ultra (new just released)?
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It normally depends how long that particular unit has been in the outlet. They drop the prices of each one after a few weeks. That's why some are $1449 and some are $999.

If you keep an eye on them, you can find some good deals if you wait long enough.
I looked a couple weeks ago and there was nothing under $1449. Regardless, I'm pretty sure this is a new low for this model.
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yea these are most likely beat up
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Dual SB13 Ultra or one SB16 Ultra (new just released)?
Obviously, it depends.
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Dual SB13 Ultra or one SB16 Ultra (new just released)?
Dual.
The answer is always Dual.
A single sub is such a huge mistake for quality room modal response. Getting 2 placed correctly makes a massive difference in the depth and consistency you could ever make. I would take 2 little subs over 1 big expensive one any day of the week.
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Dual.
The answer is always Dual.
A single sub is such a huge mistake for quality room modal response. Getting 2 placed correctly makes a massive difference in the depth and consistency you could ever make. I would take 2 little subs over 1 big expensive one any day of the week.

This REALLY depends on the room. And the number of LPs....And what you mean by little or expensive.

Little cheap subs won't produce worthwhile sound below 30hz (all those $100-200 deals you see on here all the time).

2 of those compared to one of anything SVS (or the companies making even better bang/buck high end subs) sells won't get the job done if you actually want the bottom octave showing up.... especially in a non-huge room where that low output can really have impact.


Or if you've only got 1 MLP then a nearfield expensive sub will also beat the hell outta 2 cheap ones


Now if you've got a huge space, and have half a dozen listening positions to cover, and you're mainly listening to music anyway- sure, 2 (or even more) cheap subs will cover that space a lot better. Covering a huge room with sub 20hz subs is f'ing expensive.
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I dont get why they make these things in piano black. Glossy electronics have always been bad. XBOX 360s, PS3. They just show dust, scratches, and fingerprints/smudges like crazy. Matte or wood grain would be ideal for electronics. Also the piano black looks cheap IMO.

I have a pair of PB2000 in my setup and they sound amazing for movies and music.
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Still a few left!
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This REALLY depends on the room. And the number of LPs....And what you mean by little or expensive.

Little cheap subs won't produce worthwhile sound below 30hz (all those $100-200 deals you see on here all the time).

2 of those compared to one of anything SVS (or the companies making even better bang/buck high end subs) sells won't get the job done if you actually want the bottom octave showing up.... especially in a non-huge room where that low output can really have impact.


Or if you've only got 1 MLP then a nearfield expensive sub will also beat the hell outta 2 cheap ones


Now if you've got a huge space, and have half a dozen listening positions to cover, and you're mainly listening to music anyway- sure, 2 (or even more) cheap subs will cover that space a lot better. Covering a huge room with sub 20hz subs is f'ing expensive.
Digging down into the deep octaves matters so little for sound quality compared to having an equal full range response in your room. You can't even hear sub 20hz you just feel the pressure so it's mostly bragging rights and chart wars.

Yes it does depend on the room, and some rooms are better than others, but all rooms are bad and home environments this applies to are absolutely terrible. Sub waves are just simple too big. I have NEVER seen a relatively flat sub curve across it's useful range plotted by ANYONE from their listening position in their room, even with massive treatments.

But don't take my word for it, download REW and run a log sweep for yourself. It's gonna sound like there is a ceiling fan between you and the speaker.


I strongly recommend people read this thread, I went into it a lot deeper
https://slickdeals.net/f/8700495-klipsch-sub-12hg-synergy-series-12-inch-300-watt-subwoofer-with-high-gloss-trim-169-newegg-via-ebay?page=8#comments

But here is a good sum with pictures that show what I mean.

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ok I have 2 of the rythmik l12 subs and decided to buy that over the SVS because I think it will be better quality. I hooked those up to a minidsp and calibrated the room. Those were a substantial upgrade to my single klipsch sub10. SVS makes a great sub but I believe in DSPing the room not the sub. Nearfield measurements mean very little. I also elected to avoid HSU because I read a number of electronics issues online such as amp failures, etc. I never read a bad issues about rythmik. YMMV but that was how I came to my conclusion. That $500 servo controlled closed feedback sub will easily outclass anything for $2,000 at best buy. Good in my book.

I'm going to show you why 2 subs is more important than 1 sub for regular room listening instead of just saying it and expecting you to take my word for it.

Most high quality subs are within a few db along their frequency range. You can get hung up on the plot but your room and placement matters more than the sub.

blasphemy?
Look at this picture.
https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=3ac8d5188c9f11e6913a7ec35a5303010000&lno=2&trd=http+ft+trillian+im+6adac4f471b+&pv=&au=&sdtid=8700495&sdfpid=193214&sdop=1&sdpid=84335079&sdfid=30&mon=1&ref=1&u2=http%3A%2F%2Fft.trillian.im%2F6adac4f471bd6bac8fe68892d5e3229c8e2dd789%2F6H2t8QyP3PC 7FB2lhZ0gJ3yRMaL44.jpg

Blue line is what the seating position looks like for response with a single sub. red line was the second sub added in with no phase correction and no eq.
if you move 3 feet the volume at 60hz doubled in my room. phase issues caused big ripples and a log sweep sounded like a helicoper.

The useful range of the single sub was chopped in half. you can sit in 2 chairs in my house and literally have double the bass sound. If you adjust the settings to your taste it would be WAY off for someone else.


https://imgur.com/Gw7Wkdb
The blue line was after I DSP'ed out the room. I have no treatment and no bass traps at my house. I want to build a superchunk for 1 corner to flatten this even more but look at the difference. That dip at 30-40 is intentional to reduce extended decay there from room modes.


Buy 2 subs, download REW and generate tones on your laptop over hdmi to your receiver.
if you don't buy a mic like I did (umik-1 from cross spectrum labs) then you can tune frequency response by ear and do a decent job of it.


Nothing beats the sub craw for install, and dont forget to phase match.

Does this mean you should never buy better subs? absolutely not. tight accurate bass is a huge game changer and really fills out the system but if you can't afford it you are better with 2 well placed subs for a fuller richer sound... ESPECIALLY if you have smaller mains. Dual subs is for consistency and response, not SPL.The lower volume for the same perceived impact and fullness you set will result in less room mode excitement and ringing in the wrong ranges. Boomy muddy bass is usually placement and room modes more than the sub's fault. The right place for a sub is usually NOT a corner or against the wall.
My sub10 was originally corner loaded. I was measuring decay times of 1 second. Think about that, a 40 hz note would be played and stay in the room for 1 second before fading audibly away. How do you think that sounds? smeary.

Chasing the low frequency responses to 20hz and below is a money game. This sub is not for people who have the money to chase paper charts but will be decent for most people in a dual config.
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I dont get why they make these things in piano black. Glossy electronics have always been bad. XBOX 360s, PS3. They just show dust, scratches, and fingerprints/smudges like crazy. Matte or wood grain would be ideal for electronics. Also the piano black looks cheap IMO.

I have a pair of PB2000 in my setup and they sound amazing for movies and music.
Believe it or not, I own SB13- ultra for two years now and dust is not an issue compared to PS3, my god that thing is a dust collector.

If they do it's easy to wipe clean. I haven't clean my sub for like 6 months and noticed some dust but it's easy to wipe off compare to the PS3. Remember PS3 has fan that blow dust everywhere.

I probably go with a dual set-up instead of upgrading to SB16. I don't really care about going below 20hz, but wanted to fill the room with more bass/response. Room is 3000ft3 + open plan to dinner/hallway (3000ft3+).

I watch 70 movie/30 music, but due to the wife approve I can't get anything bigger than 20x20x20 sub.
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Digging down into the deep octaves matters so little for sound quality compared to having an equal full range response in your room. You can't even hear sub 20hz you just feel the pressure so it's mostly bragging rights and chart wars.
or vastly greater enjoyment of movies and games.... which kinda matters.

When I had a cheap (Dayton Sub1200) in an upstairs room and listened to the plane crash from Flight of the Phoenix is sounded like a high quality recording of a plane crash.

Same scene, same room, with an SVS PB200, and it felt like I was in a plane crash.

Vastly different (and better) experience.


Adding a second Dayton wouldn't have helped with this at all, because neither is physically capable of much output below 25-30 hz.

There's a surprising amount of content below 30hz in a fair number of films, especially action/sci-fi/etc... (and even some TV shows I've found)



Now in a big room with multiple LPs- that's another story as I said- in most cases a single sub in a huge room will lose a lot of its very low meaningful out....

The difference between that Dayton 1200 and the PB2000 in a room about 5 times the size was MUCH MUCH smaller...


(and indeed the PB2000 ended up staying in the smaller room, and the larger room got TWO Dayton 1500s- because we didn't feel like dropping the $6000-8000 it would've taken to get comparable performance in the large space as the small one)




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Yes it does depend on the room, and some rooms are better than others, but all rooms are bad and home environments this applies to are absolutely terrible. Sub waves are just simple too big. I have NEVER seen a relatively flat sub curve across it's useful range plotted by ANYONE from their listening position in their room, even with massive treatments.

But don't take my word for it, download REW and run a log sweep for yourself. It's gonna sound like there is a ceiling fan between you and the speaker.
in my home office I sit 2 feet away from a JTR Cap 1400.

Come by sometime and tell me how I really need a second sub LMAO



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I strongly recommend people read this thread, I went into it a lot deeper
https://slickdeals.net/f/8700495-klipsch-sub-12hg-synergy-series-12-inch-300-watt-subwoofer-with-high-gloss-trim-169-newegg-via-ebay?page=8#comments

But here is a good sum with pictures that show what I mean.


One of the points that post makes reinforces something I already mentioned.

if you only have 1 MLP and/or a small room then the single better sub is the way to go- because you can easily tune to optimize that sub for that LP.

Dual (or quad) subs are terrific if you want the bass to sound good in MANY listening positions (and or have a large room)


On top of that the poster is talking rythmik subs... which aren't exactly the cheap $100-200 ones I was discussing... note when he mentions "Most high quality subs are within a few db along their frequency range"

That's true for a $500 sub or a $1000 sub or higher... that's... less true... for actual "cheap" subs




Hence why "2 cheap subs are always better than 1 expensive one" simply ain't so... you need to define:

what you mean by cheap
what you mean by better
what space it's going into
How many LPs are in the room

Because while there's certainly many values you can plug into those variables that do say 2 cheap>1 expensive, there's plenty where that's not the case.


The other plus to getting 1 better one now is you can always add another one later... which is easier to do than to make 2 poor subs you already own suddenly perform better.
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can i trade in my PB12-NSD to upgrade?
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