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I've been looking at deals to replace my nearly 8 year-old laptop (Gateway P-7805u FX). The damn girlfriend broke it.

I started checking out deals here, and keep seeing the same replies to every deal that pops up on the front page, such as ...

"that i5-xxxx processor sucks, it's only good for basic web browsing" (some even say that about i7-xxxx)

- or -

"the 940m, 950m, etc is complete crap for gaming. wait for the 10xx to come out"


Now, all I need this for is playing World of Warcraft, preferably at high settings. My old laptop was capable of running WoW at medium-high, so shouldn't anything made in the last couple years be a major improvement?

Can anyone recommend one at $600 or less? Not looking to do VR or anything fancy.

I see an Acer on the front page now, but everyone is complaining about durability... which brand has a good rep nowadays?


Old lappy specs for reference:

Intel P8400 (2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo)

4 GB RAM (DDR3 1066 MHz)

NVidia GeForce 9800M GTS (1 GB GDDR3)




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Last edited by acepilot55 October 10, 2016 at 09:33 AM.
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Well, that Acer would outperform your old laptop. It also has a decent screen which is oddly difficult to find at a reasonable price. As for durability, all brands are terrible until you hit the business grade units. Sadly, that is also where you pay significantly more just for that solid feel. Both Dell and Lenovo have rather solid business class laptops. Lenovo's are horribly priced though.

I don't see anything really wrong with the Acer on the front page. I have owned several Acers in the past and they have all behaved nicely. Yes, the 950m isn't "gaming" material, but it would play what you care about just fine. Stepping up to a 10X0 would be an improvement, but you won't see a good price on those for a while. Even finding a 960 would be difficult at this range.

I am not a fan of the U processors, but that i7 runs 2 cores 4 threads at a reasonable balance between power and battery life. Anything stronger than that makes everything heavier and kills your battery life.

If you need something now, you could do worse than the Acer. Even a quick look through the Dell outlet isn't really showing anything amazing.
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Yes, the 950m isn't "gaming" material, but it would play what you care about just fine. Stepping up to a 10X0 would be an improvement, ....
Yeah, I'm not exactly looking to play Battlefield 1 on ultra settings... haha. Just need to run WoW to do my daily quests while work is super slow. But I guess it wouldn't hurt to get a 960m or better just to "future-proof", however minimal.


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I am not a fan of the U processors, but that i7 runs 2 cores 4 threads at a reasonable balance between power and battery life. Anything stronger than that makes everything heavier and kills your battery life.
Ah, I didn't know the difference between the U and HQ units. I just assumed everything was quad or octa-core now. I guess if the U will extend my playtime without sacrificing playability, that'd be something to consider.


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If you need something now, you could do worse than the Acer....
Not in a hurry to buy. Could maybe hold out 'til BF, but don't want to miss out on a good deal if one pops up before then.
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Ah, I didn't know the difference between the U and HQ units. I just assumed everything was quad or octa-core now. I guess if the U will extend my playtime without sacrificing playability, that'd be something to consider.
Yeah, the U distinction annoys me. Normally, it is supposed to be something like this
i3 2 cores hyperthreading no turbo
i5 4 cores no hyperthreading turbo
i7 4 cores hyperthreading turbo

If the processor is a Y or a U or a core M then it is different. Pretty sure I got this right.
i3 2 cores hyperthreading no-turbo
i5 2 cores hyperthreading turbo
i7 2 cores hyperthreading turbo

This basically means that all the U processors are nearly the same thing and are all throttled horribly. I don't even know why the i7U exists since it really doesn't add anything that the i5 doesn't have other than a small amount of headroom in turbo.

Also noticed that I had that Acer wrong and it is an i5 rather than an i7. Doesn't change my opinion either way though.

There may be some deals coming up for a 1060 but I am not too sure. I have been less than impressed by Black Friday laptop deals for a while now.
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I had a Gateway FX too, was one of my favorite laptops overall--made before everyone decided they had to mimic the stupid Chiclet keyboard.
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Yeah, the U distinction annoys me. Normally, it is supposed to be something like this
i3 2 cores hyperthreading no turbo
i5 4 cores no hyperthreading turbo
i7 4 cores hyperthreading turbo

If the processor is a Y or a U or a core M then it is different. Pretty sure I got this right.
i3 2 cores hyperthreading no-turbo
i5 2 cores hyperthreading turbo
i7 2 cores hyperthreading turbo

This basically means that all the U processors are nearly the same thing and are all throttled horribly. I don't even know why the i7U exists since it really doesn't add anything that the i5 doesn't have other than a small amount of headroom in turbo.

Also noticed that I had that Acer wrong and it is an i5 rather than an i7. Doesn't change my opinion either way though.

There may be some deals coming up for a 1060 but I am not too sure. I have been less than impressed by Black Friday laptop deals for a while now.
Don't the i7 U also have more cache?

Either way, all the U models get destroyed by a desktop i3 of the same generation. I can actually feel how much slower my 4th gen i7U(battery life and portability was my chief concern) is compared to my desktop i5.
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I had a Gateway FX too, was one of my favorite laptops overall--made before everyone decided they had to mimic the stupid Chiclet keyboard.
Not a fan of that kb style, at all.
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Not a fan of that kb style, at all.
Yeah, I've been waiting for them to go away, but it doesn't seem to be happening.
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Either way, all the U models get destroyed by a desktop i3 of the same generation. I can actually feel how much slower my 4th gen i7U(battery life and portability was my chief concern) is compared to my desktop i5.
True. Any desktop processor will crush a laptop. But my only need is to play WoW at high settings with over 60 fps.

Looks like I'll be holding out 'til Black Friday for a HQ processor and a 960m or better gpu... unless a screaming deal pops up before then.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.
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True. Any desktop processor will crush a laptop. But my only need is to play WoW at high settings with over 60 fps.

Looks like I'll be holding out 'til Black Friday for a HQ processor and a 960m or better gpu... unless a screaming deal pops up before then.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.
I would suggest setting a deal alert for the Dell Outlet sales. If you don't mind open box items there are some decent deals to be had. There may be a current one, but I didn't see anything amazing when I looked.

Many of the Dell business class laptops are going to be the HQ's. Only issue I have are the poor quality displays most of their products have.
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I've been looking at deals to replace my nearly 8 year-old laptop (Gateway P-7805u FX). The damn girlfriend broke it.

I started checking out deals here, and keep seeing the same replies to every deal that pops up on the front page, such as ...

"that i5-xxxx processor sucks, it's only good for basic web browsing" (some even say that about i7-xxxx)

- or -

"the 940m, 950m, etc is complete crap for gaming. wait for the 10xx to come out"


Now, all I need this for is playing World of Warcraft, preferably at high settings. My old laptop was capable of running WoW at medium-high, so shouldn't anything made in the last couple years be a major improvement?

Can anyone recommend one at $600 or less? Not looking to do VR or anything fancy.

I see an Acer on the front page now, but everyone is complaining about durability... which brand has a good rep nowadays?


Old lappy specs for reference:

Intel P8400 (2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo)

4 GB RAM (DDR3 1066 MHz)

NVidia GeForce 9800M GTS (1 GB GDDR3)




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Since your last Laptop lasted 8 years. My advice would be is Focus on Features that will Last the test of time.

#1. It Must have DDR4 RAM
#2. Must have at least 1 USB-C Port
#3. Must have an IPS 1080p or 1440p Display
#4. Must have a Touch Screen.
#5. Must have 802.11AC WiFi
#6. Must have a GTX 960 graphics card
#7. If possible make sure it's a 7th Generation Intel Core i7 CPU with 4 Core and 4 threads Not the BS 2 Core types of Core i7.
#8. Must have an M.2 Port for the SSD or at least an unused M.2 Port

Only machine off the top of my head is an Alienware 13 that meets all these Criteria
Right around $750 If you get a Coupon with DELL
Or Cyberpowerpc.com
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Since your last Laptop lasted 8 years. My advice would be is Focus on Features that will Last the test of time.

#1. It Must have DDR4 RAM
#2. Must have at least 1 USB-C Port
#3. Must have an IPS 1080p or 1440p Display
#4. Must have a Touch Screen.
#5. Must have 802.11AC WiFi
#6. Must have a GTX 960 graphics card
#7. If possible make sure it's a 7th Generation Intel Core i7 CPU with 4 Core and 4 threads Not the BS 2 Core types of Core i7.
#8. Must have an M.2 Port for the SSD or at least an unused M.2 Port

Only machine off the top of my head is an Alienware 13 that meets all these Criteria
Right around $750 If you get a Coupon with DELL
Or Cyberpowerpc.com
1. Honestly, who cares.
2. Nice to have but adapters will continue to be plentiful.
3. Ya 1080p IPS is great to have but 1440 is overkill.
4. Touchscreens are never gonna be a must have feature on laptops.
5. Most laptops do nowadays.
6. 960 is nice to have but it doesn't sound like his gaming needs are demanding at all.
7. Doesn't exist ATM, also, 7th gen is not a big deal.
8. M.2 support for the sake of it is meaningless if it's still using the SATA bus. nVME would be nice but I haven't seen many laptops with that.

Alienware 13 does not meet your criteria. It does not come with a 7th gen processor not does it come with a quad core and unless you drop for the top of the line model, it also does not come with a touchscreen. Hell, the base model comes with a 720p tn...
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some one got shrekt.

i don't think I'd get a laptop from cyber power, they have some bad reviews and complaints online. that's just me though. I'd stick with the major manufactures for it.
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Some of the top laptops within your budget are:
HP Pavilion Laptop
Lenovo Z51 Laptop
Dell Inspiron i5559-3347SLV
Acer Aspire E15
Asus F555UA-EH71
Dell Inspiron 15 5000 Series
Lenovo Flex 3 Touchscreen
HP ENVY Smart Touchscreen
ASUS X550ZA-WH11
Acer Aspire E5-574G-52QU
Acer Aspire E15 E5-575G-53VG
Lenovo ThinkPad E560
HP 17.3-inch High Performance Premium Laptop
HP x360 Convertible Touchscreen Laptop
Toshiba Satellite Fusion 15
Acer Aspire V13 V3-372T-5051 Touch Notebook

If you are looking gaming laptop particularly, then you can buy any of these:
ASUS X555DA-AS11 Quad Core Gaming Laptop
HP 15-ay013nr Laptop
Lenovo IdeaPad 300
HP Pavilion 17-Inch High Performance Gaming Laptop
Dell Inspiron 15 5000 Touchscreen Gaming Laptop
Lenovo 310-15ABR 15.6″
HP 15-an050nr Star Wars Special Edition Gaming Laptop
Acer Aspire E15 E5-573G

Dell has always been my all time fav.. Smilie
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